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I can't help you with the identification, but I can admire a really cool, antique pen that looks like it was custom made for a member of the aristoracy. Is the ink cartridge glass?

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Yes the ink cartridge is in glass , stopped I think in 1953 approximately ... The coat of arms is from an undefined french "Baron" .

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It might be obvious, but you can clean out that cartridge and refill it with a syringe for reuse. Where did you get the pen, was it an eBay auction or antique market find?

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Do you mean Eight or eight hundred?

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I'm sorry. I thought you might have meant only 8.00 euros, which would have been a real bargin, indeed.

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My local pen club will be meeting on Friday night. If you haven't gotten an ID on this pen by then, I will ask them if they know.

 

Can you translate what the advert you found says to English? There might be a clue in that text, but I can't read French.

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The advert says : disctinction,

Manufactured by workers elite, the jif and waterman 18k solid gold are real jewels. Ask a specialist pen to show them : Whether for yourself or as a class gift you can't make a better choice.

 

Thank you for your interest SInistral1, no ID for the moment...

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I have split of this conversation as it is interesting enough for a topic of it's own.

 

 

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I'd think it was from VERY close to after the war; the "New Look" ads from JIF-Waterman in 1948 have a different shape of clip from that, and something that high in trim seems unlikely to be stuck with last year's clip.

 

Looking at said ad, they seem to have been more about model numbers than model names; they're all plastic bodies, No. 4852V is 'Court a Levier', No. 4853 is 'Long a levier', and No. 4823 is 'Long a cartouche'; so it seems that the tens place is for filler type, there's a good chance that the ones place is still for point size, and there's a suspicion that the 48 is just for the new body style. This makes me think there's a good chance that the pen in question just has a five or possibly six digit model number, like the old hard rubber pens, and if someone could find the first few pages of a 1945 (Fall/Winter) catalogue for the French division, we'd find chart that we could construct the right designation out of.

 

Edit: Inspiration strikes, on a par with "If I tie my shoelaces, I may stop tripping." I eventually recall that Waterman US was still using the old model number pattern, more or less, on the pens they were making in the '40s, even if they gave the models names in the advertising. A look at the 1947 catalogue shows the not-really-named all-gold presentation model as a 9007. That's a lever filler, and has a slip-cap, so it's not quite the same thing, but this might suggest the vague silhouette of the answer if not give the answer directly.

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Very strange assertion when the pen went away for 584 euros ... : http://www.ebay.fr/itm/301558681088?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2648

 

What is your real aim / question ?

 

Indeed it is the same one, judging from the ding in that ornamented cap.....

 

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Same photos...I smell a haddock.

 

Yep, 3 weeks in the wind. Even Fergus would steer clear of it...

 

 

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It looks quite a bit like a gold version of the Ideal Duo 7 from Jif-Waterman, but with a different nib than mine. If you clean off the nib, what does it say? That will give some more insight into which model it is.

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No real help on the ID from my pen club experts. One said the clip looked like a 1950s style while the rest of the pen looked like a 1930s style, especially because of the glass cartridge. No idea on the actual model, unfortunately.

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