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Can I trouble anyone for any additional information on this Waterman pen. It is marked "Thorobred" on the barrel end. It is 4 3/16"(108mm) in length and 5 1/2" (136mm) posted. It is 3/8" at barrel threads (.410" or 10.4 mm.) It is .43" (10.92 mm) at the thickest part of the barrel. Imprint reads:

 

Waterman's

REG. U.S. (IDEAL in circle) PAT. OFF.

MADE IN THE

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

 

Was this a ladies pen from their budget line?

Is this is Gray Pearl - Grey Pearl - Steel Quartz, etc.?

 

Sorry for the large image sizes. Thanks in advance for any help.

 

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And here is a macro close-up of the nib for fun.

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I beg to remain, Sir or Madam, your most humble, historical valediction using, and obedient servant, Oslowe

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Looks like a 3 (3Vs were short/petite). Is there a number stamped onto the barrel end? That should give you the model number. The "V"s were for vest pockets. According to this, it could be a 301V. See here- https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/250250-help-neededwith-identifying-this-waterman/

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Thanks for the great links. Gets me closer to tieing it down! Barrel end has only the rolled imprint "Thorobred." No number or other markings.

I beg to remain, Sir or Madam, your most humble, historical valediction using, and obedient servant, Oslowe

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I had been labouring under a misapprehension that the Thorobred didn't have a ladies' line. You moved me to look at my resources and there I find a much blurrier artist's impression of your pen in a retailer's catalogue. They describe available colours as "Grey, Garnet and Jet" and that's probably what Waterman gave them, and the cost was the same $3.00 as the longer men's version. The clip mounting is radically different between the genders, too, which I find very odd.

 

edit-- I suspect, without documentation, that "Thorobred" is just a rebranding (in a very literal sense) of the No. 3. We must defer to the stamp on the tail to tell 'em apart.

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I have a Waterman Thorobred made from the same materials, but mine is 5 inches long (capped), has a different (side-mounted) clip, and no cap jewel. I heard someone mention that the red lines in the silver-gray plastic represent "blood lines", therefore the name "Thorobred". I doubt if that's the case, but it's a nice looking and well-performing pen. Mine has a "Ball Point" nib that's smooth and somewhat flexible.

 

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I have a Waterman Thorobred made from the same materials, but mine is 5 inches long (capped), has a different (side-mounted) clip, and no cap jewel. I heard someone mention that the red lines in the silver-gray plastic represent "blood lines", therefore the name "Thorobred". I doubt if that's the case, but it's a nice looking and well-performing pen. Mine has a "Ball Point" nib that's smooth and somewhat flexible.

 

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Hi Oslowe

I bought a Thorobred also not long before Christmas, I found a bit of info here when I was looking prior to buying mine:

 

http://dirck.delint.ca/beta/?page_id=3565

 

Yours seems to be the same pattern as the one I have, It is a little longer than the Waterman Commando I have (515) and fits my hand better. The clip appears a little different though.

 

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Here's the catalogue image I was mentioning. I failed to mention that it comes from 1939.

 

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Observe how the clips differ, and yet each matches an example seen above. I've commented in the past about Waterman's apparent urge to drive collectors of the future mad; this looks like another effort in that direction.

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Wow! Thank you to everyone who helped ID this pen. Very, very grateful to Mr. Ernst Bitterman!

 

So, only 5 pens to go! Is this how "completers" are spawned?

 

Thanks again - Oslowe

I beg to remain, Sir or Madam, your most humble, historical valediction using, and obedient servant, Oslowe

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I bought this one off the classifieds here in early December. It still isn't here yet and I am getting nervous that it won't ever arrive. I think it is one of the most lovely looking pens I have ever seen. I can not wait to get it in my hands. Looks like it has some flex too.

 

JUST LOOK AT THAT!

 

I pray it gets here. The longest I have had to wait for a pen to ship to here. If it arrives in good shape I will never let it out of my sight.

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I bought this one off the classifieds here in early December. It still isn't here yet and I am getting nervous that it won't ever arrive. I think it is one of the most lovely looking pens I have ever seen. I can not wait to get it in my hands. Looks like it has some flex too.

 

JUST LOOK AT THAT!

 

I pray it gets here. The longest I have had to wait for a pen to ship to here. If it arrives in good shape I will never let it out of my sight.

 

That is one nice looking pen! It looks good enough to eat :puddle: . So the Garnet has the green veining I guess. Very Christmas'ey looking pen. Happy New Year.

I beg to remain, Sir or Madam, your most humble, historical valediction using, and obedient servant, Oslowe

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Thoroughbreds are lovely. You rarely see them in this color though and I like this one best of all. It is indeed Christmas-esque and I was hoping it would be here by then. Hopefully soon.

Looking for a cap for a Sheaffer Touchdown Sentinel Deluxe Fat version

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