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Picked up nice Sterling 412 eyedropper recently. Perfect semi-flex #2 nib - no cracks. Feed is 3 fissure. Would this date the pen to pre 1901 or thereabouts? Picture shows 2 seperate holes on the cap. Normal? Missing clip should leave 2 holes together, no? Imprint has 4 lines, including 'WATERMAN'S'. Feed has 2 very faint lines with patent date. Overlay is common 'Trefoil Vine'. Section is stuck, stuck, stuck! Have tried a little soaking and a little heat but so far, it's not budging! That's OK as the nib and feed slip in and out nicely for filling. One last question - overlay is in great shape but tarnished. If I decide to polish the silver, what would be the best method?

 

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The pen sounds as if it has a Spoon Feed, rather than the earlier, narrow feed usually indicated by the term, "three-fissure feed" (even though the fissures are much the same in both designs).

You should be able to get that section to come loose by soaking overnight, making sure the water only comes up to the section joint. Not good practice to pull out the nib and feed as a matter of routine, and do be sure they are replaced when you try to unscrew the section. The section is much more easily damaged if there is nothing filling its central hole.

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It will probably take a while for my position on this to get any traction, but I think calling the earlier, pre-Spoon feed the "3-fissure feed" is misleading, for several reasons. The feeds to which this term is applied might have two fissures or three, and Spoon feeds might also have two fissures or three. So, a "three-fissure feed" might strictly be an earlier narrow feed with three fissures, or it might be a Spoon feed with three fissures. Though debate rages, I am reluctantly favoring "pre-Spoon feed" as the most accurate term for the earlier configuration, though it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, and it may be somewhat demeaning to that earlier feed to name it using a retronym akin to "natural grass."

 

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It will probably take a while for my position on this to get any traction, but I think calling the earlier, pre-Spoon feed the "3-fissure feed" is misleading, for several reasons. The feeds to which this term is applied might have two fissures or three, and Spoon feeds might also have two fissures or three. So, a" three-fissure feed" might strictly be an earlier narrow feed with three fissures, or it might be a Spoon feed with three fissures. Though debate rages, I am reluctantly favoring "pre-Spoon feed" as the most accurate term for the earlier configuration, though it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, and it may be somewhat demeaning to tha earlier feed to name it using a retronym akin to "natural grass."

 

--Dnaiel

 

We've been living with "open point" since 1941. I suspect we can cope with this, too. :thumbup:

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