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How To Identify The Waterman Expert Mk 1?

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Hi friends...I have a waterman fountain pen that I understand is expert mk 1.Yet frankly speaking I dont know the real difference between different models of Expert.Would someone shed light at the issue at hand.Here are some pictures of my Expert..

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That is an Expert series 1 in gold trim...not sure they did a silver trim anyway.

 

The most obvious difference being the series 1 nib has the elongated hole and flat sides and the cap rings are concave. The series 2 has a two tone rounded nib with round hole and the cap rings are flat.

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I have a single tone (steel) nib on my MkII.

 

With concave cap-bands Force means they are really prominent. On the MkII they are more flush (not totally) The name Waterman is in between the cap-bands

 

MkIII has a broad metal cap band and a thinner cap-rim band. The name Waterman is on the broad cap-band.

 

 

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Any information about the start and end dates of Expert series 1?I mean the start and end of production dates.

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Not sure. My normal go-to website only mentions the mkII, with start date " end 1990s" so that will be the end date of the mkI. Perhaps Force has some old catologues shedding more light?

 

 

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OK,

 

The Expert does not appear in a salesman catalogue from 89/90.

 

The MK1 appears in an undated brochure which also contains the Exclusive range which we know dates from late 80's early 90's.

 

I have a brochure dated 2000 showing the Mk 2 range.

 

So I would estimate the MK1 to have run from early 90's to mid to late 90's. Sorry that's about my limit on the dates.

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But the pen is a first hand brand new putchase of 1988. So how can the Expert mk 1 be declared as having run from early 90s to mid to late 90s?

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Yes, you are correct maybe it was omitted from the 89/90 catalogue for some reason.

 

Did you buy it new in 1988...which you have not previously mentioned.

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Yes, I did purchase it in 1988 from a store in Kuwait city. You knwo I was gifted with love for books and pens right from my school days. And yes, I did not mention it because I didnt know it would make any differnce for experts at the FPN.

In my young age, I would purchase books and pens -new or old - that attracted me for one reason or the other even without knowing their true value.The other thing that I am happy about myself is the urge for longest possible preservation of things. I think I am turniig way too personal.

Thank you dear Force.

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These are good pens and do sell well but you have to mind the nib as they are prone to corrosion. I sold one a few months ago, with corrosion, for £29.

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With the current hype on the Phileas, perhaps the seller hopes to generate a higher price?

 

I don't know what an Expert 1 normally does on the bay... But this would seem steep for me...

 

 

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These are good pens and do sell well but you have to mind the nib as they are prone to corrosion. I sold one a few months ago, with corrosion, for £29.

Would you please see at the pictures and advise as to whether there were any signs of corrosion on the nib of my Waterman Expert. I would be glad to have your expert opinion.

Here are the pictures.

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While your pics are nice and the nib looks OK, it is difficult for us to tell without them being much larger and of just the nib. If you have a magnifying glass you will soon see if there is any corrosion.

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Also, the front might be OK, but the back, where the nib sits on the feed might have some corrosion.

 

 

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