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Ok guys. Looks like I'm at the dead end... I was about to buy Pelikan M1000. I already own Pelikan 400 and I thought I would buy a higher end pen as Pelikan is one of my favourites. But then I saw Visconti Wall Street limited edition Power filler. There is regular Wall Street with converter, but I WANT plunger filler. I absolutely adore celluloid pens. The thing is that Visconti Wall Street LE is twice as expensive as Pelikan M1000. What shall I do? Buy Pelikan M1000 anyway or save for at least a year for Visconti Wall Street LE. Or maybe regular Wall street with converter?

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take price out of the equation.

 

which do you want more?

 

if it's the visconit, just save up for it.

 

I can assure you that patience is your friend when it comes to buying things.

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I have the regular Wall Street and like it's size better than the LE. That said there are a number of other Power fillers from Visconti out there that are much cheaper than the Wall Street. Look at the Opera and HS Lava. But if you have had a long craving for the M1000, you should probably fulfill that craving first and save up for a Visconti later.

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Crazyorange, that is a good point. I think I will wait for a pen show and will try both of the pens first...

Redisburning, I want Wall Street more as it is LE and I think it wont be on the market for too long (for reasonable price anyway). Pelikan can wait another decade I think :)

Pakman, I didnt realize regular and LE are different sizes... Its not only the filling system. The first I saw regular online and I thought wow, such a beautiful pen but it's pity it comes with converter as I prefer any other type of filling system. And then I saw LE. And that was it! But probably you know that feeling yourself :).

I didn't have a craving for M1000. I just found some financial resources and I thought I would buy a new pen. And Pelikan looked a good choice as it is classic iconic pen.

Ghost Plane, no doubt it is a win-win.

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I agree with crazyorange, if you like the feel and writing style of the wall street, it's totally worth saving up for. If not, go for the M1000 :) good luck

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Agree with everything said so far, and would add that, if I recall correctly, the regular Wall Street has a metal gripping section, the LE a celluloid one. The Peilikan's is resin. This may or may not make a difference to you. Regardless of the filling system, I like the proportions of the regular Wall Street better than the LE.

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M1000 for me, owning two of those, they are very well constructed

Pens are like watches , once you start a collection, you can hardly go back. And pens like all fine luxury items do improve with time

 

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What size pens do you own?

 

I grew up in the day of Standard and Medium-Large and find a 1000 very, very big.

If you have and use mainly Large pens, then you won't.

I do have some Large pens like a Persona, 146, Waterman 52 and a Safari :P ....and find the 1000 or 149 too big for me.

Is the LE a 'regular' Large pen, or an over-sized pen like the 1000 or 149?

 

Viscontie is known to have problems with it's quality control. The 1000 not.

 

What sort of nibs do you have? Nails? Modern semi-nail? ie What pens do you have?

 

Do you have any semi-vintage '90's-80's or '60's and before vintage 'true' springy regular flex nibs?

That is not a "Springy" nib, in the tines spread 3 X a light down stroke when mashed. A 'Springy' nib, like a modern MB spreads only 2X but has a bit more tine bend....a different flex. Semi-nail is like the old P-75 nib, no spring to it. There are regular flex nibs with good spring to them like a semi-vintage '80's-90's 400.

 

That might determine, how ham fisted you are or are still.

What flex of nib does this LE have? Modern semi-nail or true springy regular flex....It is a Bock nib.

There is nothing wrong with a Bock nib.

Bock will make the nib as the company wishes in flex. They no longer make semi-flex as they once did, in the companies don't want that. The companies can still order a true springy regular flex....or make a semi-nail, for the cross over ham fisted nib bending BP&RB users.

 

Find out what flex that LE has, nail, semi-nail or 'true' regular flex. Many companies as I said pass off semi-nail as regular now, not that it is regular flex. It's just what they offer instead.

 

Before getting a 1000 you need a 14 C semi-flex like a Pelikan 140 or Geha 790, in the 1000 is depending on the experience of the owner is a 'springy' nib or as I rated the one I tested in a B&M a semi-flex.

 

You need to get rid of being ham fisted and develop a lighter Hand. The two pens mentioned will give you a start on that in they can be used by the Ham Fisted. :thumbup:

I was ham fisted before I got my first semi-flex nib, a 140 OB. :puddle: After three months I had a lighter hand. (Slightly Ham Fisted :rolleyes: ) My Hand is not as light as I wish, but I am no longer ham fisted.

I have some 26 semi-flex nibs.

 

The problem is the 1000 is an 18 K nib...modern 18 K nibs with some flex (there are 18 K nails) if pressed too hard, bend and stay bent, where a 14 K/C nib will spring back.

You need a light Hand for a 1000.

The Ham Fisted will bend that 18 K nib.

 

Please read in my signature what a semi-flex nib is.

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I don't have the M1000 but I DID have a craving for the M800. When I finally bought a modern one I was disappointed with the pen - yes it writes ok and is impeccably manufactured, but the nib feels dead and the pen has no character whatsoever.

I know I can pick this pen up after weeks of neglect and it will write as if I had only just put it down, it feels comfortable in my hand - but the writing experience just isn't there.

I am not a huge fan of Visconti's DreamTouch nibs either. I find the flex very "soggy" and they have just a little too much feedback on some papers. Hard to describe but it as if the nib doesn't damp out the high frequency vibrations as the nib rides over the paper.

 

I accept that for some people, either of these pens would be their perfect grail pen. The lesson really is to try the pens as much as you can before purchase to avoid disappointment because a pen is a very personal purchase and what suits one person may not suit you.

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Georgeszaslavsky, can you please make a picture of pens next to each other and any other regular size pen for size comparison. Thank you in advance.

Bo BO Olson, I dont really own oversized pens. I definitely need to try before buying.

I have all sort of nibs. I have vintage Waterman 52 1/2 with flex nib, I have semi-vintage Lady Sheaffers and Sheaffer imperials with nails also modern Namiki Falcon with semi-flex. (I had to check definition of ''ham fisted'' :) ) I dont think I am hand fisted as I was writing with fountain pens all my life. To be honest with you I find nail nibs more pleasant to writ with. So lack of springines is not an issue for me.

UK Mike, I dont have any Visconti (never tried either). I have Pelikan 400 but its nib not even close to M1000 by its size so I cant judge on that.

All in all I have to try both of the pens before buying one. Anyone from South West own one of these? :)

 

Thank you all for your thoughts and opinions...

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