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Hello JA,

 

Well, I'm looking on the bright side, at least now I know where to go when I want to get an authentic Swiss watch or authentic ParkAr pens that are stamped "new." What better guarantees can you ask for? I bet their Rolexes are stamped "New Romex." :D

 

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Chris

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Well, three pens for $10 might not be a bad deal. My first thought was "cheap Chinese knockoffs?" But the pens are coming from India.

I guess they can claim that they're not fakes because of the obvious misspelling. Whether that logic actually works is a YMMV....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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I guess they can claim that they're not fakes because of the obvious misspelling.

 

On the other hand, they're claiming they're made in the USA - and that's a little harder to explain away...

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On the other hand, they're claiming they're made in the USA - and that's a little harder to explain away...

I have a perfectly rational explanation: PT Barnum's famous quote "There's a sucker born every minute and two to take him."

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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I am from India. In the recent times I am seeing a lot of these fake "PARKAR" pens on Indian streets. Let me tale you these are actually Chinese products. During my school days I had grown up writing with "Wing Sung" and "Hero" pens. I vaguely remember during 80's and 90's those pens used to cost between INR 5.00 to INR 200.00. In the recent years there have been paradigm shift in the market of " imported fountain pens" in India. Back here in India we do not get PARKER pens made in USA or Europe any more. Luxor pen company has bought the technology transfer from Parker and Waterman. So today we often get Parker vector or Waterman Hemisphere manufactured in India itself. Even if they are imported that could be from Chinese manufacturing unit of the authentic brand. The recent import data from India suggests 99.23% of Waterman products are imported from China while only 0.77% of Waterman products are imported from France. For a short while we had Parker pens made in the Middle East manufacturing units (e.g. Bahrain, Jordon, UAE) of Parker pen company but that has become scarce now.

The chinese influence in to replica fountain pen market have been phenomenal. While in ebay we do not see shameful AAA replica of Mont Blanc from Baor etc, boasted as authentic ones, but if you go to Alibaba.com, the chinese site you will see a lot of Mont Blanc pen being sold and you will know they are fake although they are boasted authentic. The "Parkar 51" pens discussed here are difficult inquest. They could be from India but my bet will be for their Chinese origin. This is based on my personal experience of Indian fountain pen street sale. Personally I have high regards for Indian fountain pens. During my childhood I had used a lot of ebonite fountain pens. Those were never branded ones but were excellent writers. Over the years we are seeing more and more branded Indian fountain pens which made them relatively expensive yet easily affordable.

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So anyone can get a license to manufacture a pen brand [ or any type of product ] from the head office and create

whatever they want and call it [ brand x ]. I have yet to buy a brand new Fp from any company as I have not done

the research on them to know what to look for. If a brand new FP is $200 or so I think I will stick to buying vintage Fp's

at local auctions like last week, 6 Parkers & 1 Waterman's for $190 at least I know what I am getting, pens sold AS IS.

 

I just think it's funny what people will make and sell as the real deal......

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"So anyone can get a license to manufacture a pen brand [ or any type of product ] from the head office and create

whatever they want and call it [ brand x ]. I have yet to buy a brand new Fp from any company as I have not done

the research on them to know what to look for. If a brand new FP is $200 or so I think I will stick to buying vintage Fp's

at local auctions like last week, 6 Parkers & 1 Waterman's for $190 at least I know what I am getting, pens sold AS IS."

 

I think this is not completely true. A technology transfer just assumes manufacturing rights. Those who are going to manufacture on behalf of the original brand need to ensure the originality is intact. The product can be sold at local market at much more reasonable rate if the original brand agrees to allow that. But this is often true for entry level products. As its is for LUXOR made Parker VECTOR AND JETTER. The brand maintains its high esteem for their elite flagships. Like no body would be allowed to manufacture the Parker Duofold Centennial and sale it at cheaper prices. Often the original brand might diversify its manufacturing units. As in case of Parker the manufacturing unit was spread over the last century from USA to Europe and then Asia. A willful production of fake replica does not require any quality control. You can pull them in court of law but often the confident companies do not do that. As in case of Mont Blanc the company knows whatever amount of fake replica is produced against the original ones does not affect their business.

If you are looking for new fountain pens and skeptical about authenticity, then you should check on OMAS. I have done some research and believe it quite well that "there is no fake OMAS" is probably a true claim. Then one can ask why not Mont Blanc? The probable explanation is it is easy to fake a Carbon fibre or Resin pen but not a celluloid pen which is hand made from a celluloid tube. Procurement of raw material and rigorous advanced training and more so the available plan "B" technology for same appearance as that of the original one is almost an extremely impossible combination to achieve.

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Seems legit...

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Ooh, one of them looks like a plum... :rolleyes:

Wonder if they've faked the correct date code....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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Can you call it a faked date code if the whole ad is for a faked pen? IOWs, if something is already faked, can you fake it further?

 

Oh to be "pair-a-dime shiftless"!

“Don't put off till tomorrow what you can do today, because if you do it today and like it, you can do again tomorrow!”

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