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ArnyDelan168

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Greetings,

 

I am planning to buy Sailor King of Pen in 1911 version.

 

I was thinking to buy it with Naginata Togi nib since the KOP 1911 version is cheaper than the newer version.

 

My question is, how naginata togi will affect KOP original nib?

 

Since I read that naginata togi deliver the pencil-like writing feeling, a little sturdy.

 

The KOP nib has a very impressive smooth glass writing experience and a little bit springy.

 

Any feedback or suggestion will be deeply appreaciated.

 

Thank you in advance

Ryan

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From your description, I am trying to get an idea whether you have another KOP?

 

You say the KOP nib is springy? Frankly it's not in my opinion. I have the stock standard KOP with a medium nib installed on the black ebonite body with gold furniture. The nib writes very beautifully and is one of my pens always inked. But it's very far from springy. The alarming amount of force required to even spread is not natural at all, unless you really press hard when you write. If you wanted a springy nib, I recommend one of the soft nibs from Pilot or Platinum. I have quite a few Sailor pens, and their nibs are frankly nails. They are engineered to wrap very precisely around the feed and have no give at all.

 

As for the Naginata Togi nibs, I frankly don't like them. They are ground to what we in the Western world call an Architect's point. I personally use a lot of italic, stub as well as flex nibs primarily to write cursive as well as italic font. The Naginata does not fit as the broad and thin lines are all in the wrong places. Plus the extra long tines are so thin they feel so fragile if you even try and flex the nib. Just not a great writing experience. I buy my pens to use as I find writing and calligraphy relaxing. However, if you're a collector and just want to collect Sailor's unique selection of nibs, please go ahead.

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From your description, I am trying to get an idea whether you have another KOP?

 

You say the KOP nib is springy? Frankly it's not in my opinion. I have the stock standard KOP with a medium nib installed on the black ebonite body with gold furniture. The nib writes very beautifully and is one of my pens always inked. But it's very far from springy. The alarming amount of force required to even spread is not natural at all, unless you really press hard when you write. If you wanted a springy nib, I recommend one of the soft nibs from Pilot or Platinum. I have quite a few Sailor pens, and their nibs are frankly nails. They are engineered to wrap very precisely around the feed and have no give at all.

 

As for the Naginata Togi nibs, I frankly don't like them. They are ground to what we in the Western world call an Architect's point. I personally use a lot of italic, stub as well as flex nibs primarily to write cursive as well as italic font. The Naginata does not fit as the broad and thin lines are all in the wrong places. Plus the extra long tines are so thin they feel so fragile if you even try and flex the nib. Just not a great writing experience. I buy my pens to use as I find writing and calligraphy relaxing. However, if you're a collector and just want to collect Sailor's unique selection of nibs, please go ahead.

Thank you for the reply.

 

No I don't have a KOP in present time.

 

Yes I do say KOP nib is springy because of the impression saw video review from fpeeks.com.

 

I see your point, Sir, for the naginata togi, just as I expected.

 

Regards

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I would try the NT nib first. Although it is a very smooth nib, as are all of my Sailors, the one on my KOP is very thick when writing, even when held up high. I realize this is the intent of the nib, but it is not practical for everyday use. I have a fine, and would need an XF or XXF version (which they don't make) to work for my style of writing.

 

Great pen otherwise, but I think the normal 1911 nib is better for most folks.

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I really admire the amazing work people put into their videos. It's a much needed resource for our tiny community. I heartily agree with everything these people say in their videos EXCEPT the part that comes to flexing nibs. I simply don't understand why people do it, and what purpose it serves. It's not a flex nib and it's not designed to be one. It gives people like you the wrong impression of the nib. If you want to talk about springy nibs, this nib will not be the one that comes to mind. That's because it does not have the type of give. I would say it's a very stiff smooth writing nib.

 

The one thing they don't mention is that because the nib is VERY large, and the weight of the pen is in the center of the body because of the large piece of metal in the middle section of the pen, handling the pen requires some getting used to. If you are a beginner to fountain pens, it's not the best pen to start with because of this feel. The pen feels strangely difficult to control because your hand is very high, more so than a typical pen with a smaller nib. But until you have handled many pens, it's very hard to understand why. This is in stark contrast to a pen like the Nakaya, that feels so right in the hand.

 

 

Thank you for the reply.

 

No I don't have a KOP in present time.

 

Yes I do say KOP nib is springy because of the impression saw video review from fpeeks.com.

 

I see your point, Sir, for the naginata togi, just as I expected.

 

Regards

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Ok then. I am changing my perception about springy nib in KOP. Thank you for the input.

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I'd say that the KOP (I have one with a medium nib) is somewhat springy. Not flexible by modern or vintage standards, but it has a tiny bit of bounce to it.

 

It is a huge pen, and if you like that kind of pen (think Mont Blanc 149 or Pelikan M1000) you'll love the KOP.

 

I have a couple of NT nibs, and I love the idea of adjusting the line with the angle of the pen, but honestly, I rarely take advantage of it.

 

Whether or not you'll use it depends on how you normally write, but I think for general use the medium KOP should serve you just fine.

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Yesterday, in Japan, I was at Maruzen by Tokyo Station. I purchased a Sailor, Pro-Gear, KOP, gold, bi-color nib (M). It had a Nagahara nib. Balance is great, love the smooth feel to the nib; not springy by my frame of reference. The pen feels great in my hands! The strong color of the 24k gold on the cap and barrel is a little harsh for my taste. Much preferred the softer gold of the MB 149, I held next it. But, that minor frustration will vanish soon.

 

A year ago, I purchased a standard size, Sailor, Pro-Gear, black resin, Rhodium, bi-color nib (F). When I ordered it I had not fully appreciated how small it was going to be. I love writing with is but, the size always bothers me. So, 60,000 yen ($600US) later, I have a larger Sailor.

 

I may point out that the retail price I paid was about $200 less than what I saw on sites in the US before I came over here for vacation.

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I'm glad that you found your pen and are happy with it. Will you be posting pics and writing samples?

I am still waiting for that pen to arrive, Sir :)

 

Perhaps in couple of weeks I will post the picture and writing sample soon.

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I'd say that the KOP (I have one with a medium nib) is somewhat springy. Not flexible by modern or vintage standards, but it has a tiny bit of bounce to it.

 

It is a huge pen, and if you like that kind of pen (think Mont Blanc 149 or Pelikan M1000) you'll love the KOP.

 

I have a couple of NT nibs, and I love the idea of adjusting the line with the angle of the pen, but honestly, I rarely take advantage of it.

 

Whether or not you'll use it depends on how you normally write, but I think for general use the medium KOP should serve you just fine.

 

 

Maybe that was the impression I saw from the fpgeeks video. "Bouncy", a very bit of flex, maybe that is more appropriate term

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