Real Or Fake?

[Yehuwdiy]

I'm going to report these auctions as several of these pens have been listed using the exact same photo's, and I think they may be forgeries. I passionately pursue any suspected fakes regardless of the hobby I'm currently interested in as hurt the whole community. My concerns are:

 

- crispness of 'engraving'

- 'diamonds' are irregular and not straight-sided

- the engraved pattern goes through the demarcation line and into the plain band on the cap that holds the stamping etc. (image of my example attached for comparison)

- Quality of nib does not seem to match the body+cap (possibly a real nib? That tipping is droool worthy...)

- Section locating lugs appear offset, not lined up with, for example, the center-line of the nib (as in all other examples I've seen in the flesh)

 

I'm not a Sheaffer expert, but have enough collections and have seen enough fakes for these pens to raise some flags for me. Or are these pens simply from a different period and thus are not quite the same as what I've seen?

 

What say you oh makers of marks?

 

Y.

[Yehuwdiy]

Sorry, forgot links

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Sheaffer-Imperial-Diamond-Gold-14K-G-F-Fountain-Pen-/121440589837?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=Xdd0yHS7ut2%252FFHGXx1uh7O%252FdnZ4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

 

and

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Sheaffer-Imperial-Vermeil-Sterling-14K-G-F-Fountain-Pen-/121414706747?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c44e1663b

[Happy Harry]

Real but same pen. Check the wear on the end of the clip.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Happy Harry

[Yehuwdiy]

Then probably a scam, so still reportable. If real, then what happened to the workmanship? It just seems so sloppy to have the engraving run over like that...

[KBeezie]

I doubt they would fake a Sheaffer (though wouldn't be that hard for the Cartridge/Converter models, would like to see them try to fake a TD or Snorkel), however seeing two auctions with the exact same picture, especially if one was sold and not simply ended without bids then I'd smell some kind of a scam going on, or at least gross misrepresentation.

Edited September 20, 2014 by KBeezie

[Happy Harry]

Then probably a scam, so still reportable. If real, then what happened to the workmanship? It just seems so sloppy to have the engraving run over like that...

 

Sheaffer , this one is similar. It may be accentuated by the black infill and not so noticeable in the hand.

[Yehuwdiy]

Interesting, that pen has NONE of the faults listed above. The workmanship is worlds apart. So, to my mind the pen(s) originally posted about is a fake, from the ground up. Very interesting that someone has gone to the trouble...

[trauha]

My Sterling Silver like the one in your photo, that may have come from the dubious source weighs 26grams empty of ink.

How much does yours weigh?

 

A similar G.F. model weighs 23 grams.

 

Any discrepancies in weight would be an alarm bell.

 

The seller whose links you provided, and also another one linked below have negative feedbacks mentioning fake items in the feedback, though the the feedbacks are not for Sheaffers, but there are Sheaffers (or should that be 'Sheaffers' ?) for sale.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261604968149?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Edited October 20, 2014 by trauha