What Did I Buy Part 2...? Some Old Large Pen. (Flex Pen?)

[Icywolfe]

Tiny nib. And it's very very very soft. Almost unusable soft and very wet.

 

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/ec63/odpfwdx2ucdbq766g.jpg

Left is Justus95, Right is Elabo

 

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/46a2/s7wz1a12qub2jcd6g.jpg

Writing and other stuff.

 

Does anybody know a Vintage pen repairer? The sac might needs to be replaced.

 

Does all old pens have tiny nibs?

 

Sorry for the bad hand writing. I'm all jittery right now. That I got my 1st 2 lever fillers.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Icywolfe

[Lou Erickson]

No, all old pens don't have tiny nibs.

 

A good, in focus picture of the nib is most helpful.

[Icywolfe]

Nib just says warranted 14KT

[FedericoMedina]

Those warranted nibs are usually super-flex nibs lots of flex for dramatic line variation. Looks like a F - BB variation.

 

And yes your sac probably needs replacing. Contact Greg Minuskin.

 

A very nice find from what I can see.

[Icywolfe]

Those warranted nibs are usually super-flex nibs lots of flex for dramatic line variation. Looks like a F - BB variation.

 

And yes your sac probably needs replacing. Contact Greg Minuskin.

 

A very nice find from what I can see.

I thought warranted nibs were like "cheap" nibs.

 

This pen makes my Ahab and Elabo aren't flexing much at all.

 

The pen was for 25 USD. Good deal? I guess?

 

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This is my second find that I got in a package today:

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/274588-what-did-i-buy/?do=findComment&comment=3124068

 

That nib says

 

Waterman's

Ideal

CANADA

Edited September 20, 2014 by Icywolfe

[FedericoMedina]

Not a cheap nib at all! People pay quite a premium for that lovely vintage flex. You got a great find on a nice pen too!

 

Take a look at these http://www.vintagepen.net/-other-makers---pg-2.html some have warranted 14k nibs sure the pen adds to the price but it's all about the nib!

 

Nothing can compare to a vintage flex nib. Nothing except dip pen nibs which are well beyond super noodles.

 

That warranted nib is so good with its flex it shames your namiki falcon and noodler pen now consider the possibilities

[Icywolfe]

Not a cheap nib at all! People pay quite a premium for that lovely vintage flex. You got a great find on a nice pen too!

 

Take a look at these http://www.vintagepen.net/-other-makers---pg-2.html some have warranted 14k nibs sure the pen adds to the price but it's all about the nib!

 

Nothing can compare to a vintage flex nib. Nothing except dip pen nibs which are well beyond super noodles.

 

That warranted nib is so good with its flex it shames your namiki falcon and noodler pen now consider the possibilities

I heard somewhere warranted were cheap nibs.

 

The possibilities are not much. This is so soft that I feel the nib bending the opposite direction on the upstroke (very little down pressure.) It's like the Elabo I feel it bend on the upstrokes except this orange pen it gets stuck every so often.

 

So if I do get it restored it would be a great pen.

 

The pressure needed to flex is about half or more than half of my J95. And my Justus95 is pretty soft.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Icywolfe

[FedericoMedina]

A warranted 14k nib is like a modern 14k bock or jowo nib with no custom imprint. They are cheaper but not in any way of less quality.

 

They take a truly light hand to use that is for sure. Must be very skilled at controlling the subtleties of such a flexy nib especially if it is beyond semi flex which yours definitely could be.

 

I always found the j95 to be pretty stiff even with its "soft" setting.

Edited September 20, 2014 by FedericoMedina

[Icywolfe]

A warranted 14k nib is like a modern 14k bock or jowo nib with no custom imprint. They are cheaper but not in any way of less quality.

 

They take a truly light hand to use that is for sure. Must be very skilled at controlling the subtleties of such a flexy nib especially if it is beyond semi flex which yours definitely could be.

 

I always found the j95 to be pretty stiff even with its "soft" setting.

I don't know what is semi flex. (I never tried semi flex) this is confusing to use as my brain says press harder (used to the J95 and the Ahab and this is smooth and soo squishy.) Downside is that writing print is too hard.

 

I find it softer than the Elabo, but it makes a slightly thinner line than the Elabo.

 

I guess I don't need to go after the Waterman 52 as this is hard enough. But I'l still going after the Falcon nib.

 

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Where is Bo Bo Olson when you need him. I wonder what would the flex pen specialist say about this.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Icywolfe

[mallymal1]

I think that you have an Eclipse fountain pen.

 

Here's some info, just scroll down to Eclipse...http://www.richardspens.com/?page=ref/glossary/E.htm

 

[Icywolfe]

I think that you have an Eclipse fountain pen.

 

Here's some info, just scroll down to Eclipse...http://www.richardspens.com/?page=ref/glossary/E.htm

 

Any more documentation on this?

 

Nice to know all their models aren't marked.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Icywolfe

[mallymal1]

Hi Icywolfe...I would imagine that if you Google the phrase 'Eclipse fountain pen', you would come up with more documentation.

 

Good luck with your search.

 

[Icywolfe]

Hi Icywolfe...I would imagine that if you Google the phrase 'Eclipse fountain pen', you would come up with more documentation.

 

Good luck with your search.

 

The best so far I've found was this:

 

http://oldfountainpensjustforfun.blogspot.com/2011/06/eclipse-pens-beginning-long-post-please.html

 

While other places I see people speculating what is the pen is or who is the company.

 

From what I found so far the Brand came out of nowhere and went poof out of no where. That is nice.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Icywolfe

[mallymal1]

Yes, they look like excellent articles on Eclipse...and it also looks like you have found yourself a very nice pen.

[kazoolaw]

Be careful believing everything you hear.

 

Yes, it's an Eclipse, with an abundance of information available. Try Richardspens for a thumbnail sketch. He specifically traces the company from California to NY to Canada.

 

Have fun with the flexxy nib: keep a light touch.

 

gary

[Lou Erickson]

If you need work on it, I'd also be happy to suggest Danny Fudge (http://thewritepen.net) who has just done something for me and was great to work with.

[Icywolfe]

But do you know what is the nib size?

 

Because I have nothing close to that on full flex. The closest to that is a brush pen and my GNib.

[Bo Bo Olson]

A Warrented 14 K nib is only that it is 585 gold, some have some flex, others not. Some are nails.

 

It is far too wet because you are pressing the nib so hard...making for a wider, wetter stroke.

Try writing as light as if you had a baby featherless bird in your hand.

 

Your nib seems to max out at 4-5 X your light down stroke.....do try to keep it under the 5X level to keep your nib from springing.. 4 X would be good enough.

 

Please go to Richard Binder's site, and read how easy it is to spring a nib.

 

I have a Pelikan 100n, that will spread 5 X close to max...could perhaps even push it more. I don't. I try to keep it at no more than a 4 X tine spread.

I don't want to spring the nib, that I can not replace.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Bo Bo Olson

[Icywolfe]

A Warrented 14 K nib is only that it is 585 gold, some have some flex, others not. Some are nails.

 

It is far too wet because you are pressing the nib so hard...making for a wider, wetter stroke.

Try writing as light as if you had a baby featherless bird in your hand.

 

Your nib seems to max out at 4-5 X your light down stroke.....do try to keep it under the 5X level to keep your nib from springing.. 4 X would be good enough.

 

Please go to Richard Binder's site, and read how easy it is to spring a nib.

 

I have a Pelikan 100n, that will spread 5 X close to max...could perhaps even push it more. I don't. I try to keep it at no more than a 4 X tine spread.

I don't want to spring the nib, that I can not replace.

It's wet without pressure. The thin lines was because I was using the nib upsides down. And on writing I felt the max pressure limit and that was 5 pen comparison place. Other than that I was adding some pressure but not a lot.

 

A Gnib is harder than this nib.

 

I just noticed there is a lack of tipping. (There is some but it's kind of flat.)

Edited September 20, 2014 by Icywolfe

[BookCat]

What a lovely find! And super flexy. No wonder you're feeling a bit jittery.

 

It's very easy to replace the sac yourself. If I can do it, anyone can. You'll find lots of info on the web, including here and on youtube where you can see vids of it being done.

 

You'll need a hairdryer, several sizes of ink sac if you don't know exactly the right ones to get (though there may be someone on FPN who can tell you), some shellac, and some french chalk.

Other potentially useful items: section pliers (I found that my fingers were sufficient) and a selection of crochet needles (for removing any bits of old sac from the barrel).

 

You just take the pen apart by pulling/twisting the section from the barrel. If it's been shellaced together, gently heat with the hairdryer to loosen enough to remove.

Remove the old sac (if you're lucky, it will just fall out) then clean the nipple before putting a small amount of shellac on it. Slip the sac over the nipple and you're done! Just leave it to dry for a few hours before testing. Do the test before putting the pen back together: just squeeze some ink into the sac and make sure the pen writes properly. Then join the pen back together. Some people shellac the section to the barrel, I preferred not to.

 

Not only will you save the cost of a 'professional' you'll also have amassed the skills and equipment to resac other pens if necessary.