Falcon (Pilot Customs) Like Nib From Other Manufacturers?

[Icywolfe]

Is there a Falcon like nib from other manufacturers. And I mean commonly available.

 

Still in the search for the good modern flex. Sadly the feed of the Pilot Customs that has the Falcon nib is bad....

 

Elabo is the Falcon Pen

Falcon Nib is not on the Elabo

Edited September 16, 2014 by Icywolfe

[bardiir]

I'll quote Bo Bo Olson here even before he arrives:

 

The Falcon is not flex, it's only a soft nib.

 

If you're looking for a nice springy nib look into the Lamy 14k ones, they are quite springy. They are softer than the falcon is but don't offer that much "flex" - which btw damages the falcon if you flex it heavily.

 

Modified they reach into some really flexible nib ranges, they still categorize as "springy++" but it gets way softer than the falcon. I got a flex nib from Bo Bo Olson for comparison, and I got the Lamy to around double/triple pressure needed for the flex compared to the flex nib. The Falcon is somewhere around 20-30 times the pressure needed compared to the flex nib to get it so "flex".

[Keyless Works]

OMAS "Flessible" nib could be similar. Haven't tried it though.

[Icywolfe]

I'll quote Bo Bo Olson here even before he arrives:

 

If you're looking for a nice springy nib look into the Lamy 14k ones, they are quite springy. They are softer than the falcon is but don't offer that much "flex" - which btw damages the falcon if you flex it heavily.

 

Modified they reach into some really flexible nib ranges, they still categorize as "springy++" but it gets way softer than the falcon. I got a flex nib from Bo Bo Olson for comparison, and I got the Lamy to around double/triple pressure needed for the flex compared to the flex nib. The Falcon is somewhere around 20-30 times the pressure needed compared to the flex nib to get it so "flex".

Which Falcon nib you talking about? The Elabo or Falcon?

Edited September 16, 2014 by Icywolfe

[KBeezie]

Which Falcon nib you talking about? The Elabo or Falcon?

 

Elabo and Falcon are the same pen/nib. I think you mean the Nib that comes on the Elabo/Falcon or the "FA" Nibs that come on some of the Pilot Custom pens.

Edited September 16, 2014 by KBeezie

[bardiir]

Which Falcon nib you talking about? The Elabo or Falcon?

 

Same thing, Elabo/Falcon is this:

http://www.gouletpens.com/Pilot_Falcon_Rhodium_Soft_Extra_Fine_Fountain_Pen_p/pn60740.htm

 

And then there is an FA nib that comes on some other Pens like some of the Customs. So we're talking about Elabo/Falcon here.

 

Hmm... I'm writing too slowly or searching for the link took me too long

Edited September 16, 2014 by bardiir

[Icywolfe]

 

Elabo and Falcon are the same pen/nib. I think you mean the Nib that comes on the Elabo/Falcon or the "FA" Nibs that come on some of the Pilot Custom pens.

I mean the FA which is the Falcon nib. (Go go pilot for double naming) The possible nib on the Custom 743/742/912

[bardiir]

I mean the FA which is the Falcon nib. (Go go pilot for double naming) The possible nib on the Custom 743/742/912

 

Which is reportedly about half the pressure needed than the Falcon one. So the Lamy is about on par with it in the pressure needed, with lower tine spread. When shaved off it's pretty flexible: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/273668-where-to-grind-on-a-lamy-nib-to-increase-flexibility/

[Icywolfe]

 

Which is reportedly about half the pressure needed than the Falcon one. So the Lamy is about on par with it in the pressure needed, with lower tine spread. When shaved off it's pretty flexible: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/273668-where-to-grind-on-a-lamy-nib-to-increase-flexibility/

Problem is that it's a self mod and not a direct from manufacturer. And I think 14k nibs from Lamy did not come to the US yet.

[Algester]

Marlen Aleph has the same feature there's also Nakaya with the same design

[Algester]

 

Elabo and Falcon are the same pen/nib. I think you mean the Nib that comes on the Elabo/Falcon or the "FA" Nibs that come on some of the Pilot Custom pens.

considering the title it is the FA nib found on the Custom 743, Custom 742 and Custom Heritage 912 but the nib has a problem that the feed can't keep up with us I have yet to check if it's true so really I have to find a way to get my hands on this elusive nib and check if my chinese is still up to par (Dan reviewed all 3 pens now all with FA nibs and from his assumption speed is the key why it railroads... mmm)

if found true I might make an ebonite feed for it... I have some ideas but I'm not sure of the guarantee for it to work

the Elabo nib works well enough but that's just semi flex and to really turn it into a flex pen you need to shave of the wings of the nib which I think is what John Mottishaw does when turning it into a spencerian nib I'm not sure about the feed though

and according to nibs.com Custom Heritage 912 will reach the US shores by december... not sure if it is by Pilot USA or direct import from Japan

Edited September 16, 2014 by Algester

[bardiir]

Problem is that it's a self mod and not a direct from manufacturer. And I think 14k nibs from Lamy did not come to the US yet.

 

The factory stock should be around on par with the FA. It's softer than the Falcon. So if you're looking for something like the FA nib this might be one.

Both are not meant for real flex however: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/273300-am-i-breaking-my-nib-by-flexing-too-hard/

 

You can get gold nibs on some of the Lamy Pens, or you can special order them through some shops. I think there was even one shop that sells them in the US. http://www.jetpens.com/Lamy-Studio-Fountain-Pen-with-14K-Gold-Nib-Medium-Royal-Red-Body/pd/10048

[Algester]

now the problem is how to we make the distinction between the Pilot Elabo/Falcon nib with the Falcon (FA) nib found on the Custom line pens... I think we need to get clear of this distinction should now refer to the "Falcon pen" as the Elabo which is used in Japan? without being misleading...

http://i.imgur.com/NxsSP4Kl.jpg

This is what we know as the Falcon...

http://i.imgur.com/zkwrkorl.jpg

But this is also known as the Falcon...

Edited September 16, 2014 by Algester

[bardiir]

Well I think with the FA edited in it's pretty clear what the topic is about now

 

I'm using FA for the FA nib and Falcon nib for the Elabo/Falcon pretty much all the time, this makes destination at least partly available. This seems to be the Standard.

[Algester]

ok just to be clear with the "bite" marks on the nib the only nibs as I have stated above are the ones made by Platinum for Nakaya which I think the call is the Flexible nib and the ones found on the Aleph by Marlen this one however is a steel nib and a Noodler's Flexible nib given the Ease my Flex mod

and I do know however that the Elabo nib should feel like my Soft medium nib (as what is currently installed on my Custom Heritage 91) which on it's own is indeed semi-flexy but the Elabo nib has the SEF that I want to try... but I want the looks and feel of the Custom Heritage...

PS: Custom Heritage 912 FA nib will be my next big pen once I have the budget for it... I just need to know how to get my hands on it.... customs in my country has never been nice plus we don't have a Pilot FP distributor YET... only time will tell if we can special order

Edited September 16, 2014 by Algester

[Icywolfe]

now the problem is how to we make the distinction between the Pilot Elabo/Falcon nib with the Falcon (FA) nib found on the Custom line pens... I think we need to get clear of this distinction should now refer to the "Falcon pen" as the Elabo which is used in Japan? without being misleading...

 

We are gonna still have a few more that will say the Falcon nib is just another soft nib you shouldn't flex. And pointing to this link:

 

http://www.gouletpens.com/Pilot_Falcon_Rhodium_Soft_Extra_Fine_Fountain_Pen_p/pn60740.htm

 

Saying that is the Falcon nib.

 

Well I think with the FA edited in it's pretty clear what the topic is about now

 

I'm using FA for the FA nib and Falcon nib for the Elabo/Falcon pretty much all the time, this makes destination at least partly available. This seems to be the Standard.

 

I switched the title to "Falcon (Pilot Customs) Nib..." I hope it should be impossible to confuse.

 

Well FA is Falcon nib if you look at JP sites. Some just call it a Falcon under nib choices. And for Elabo choices it's Soft-X.

 

Once they comes to the US it will be absolute hell for the regular people. I still have no idea why they just didn't keep the Elabo name for the US market.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Icywolfe

[Algester]

We are gonna still have a few more that will say the Falcon nib is just another soft nib you shouldn't flex. And pointing to this link:

 

http://www.gouletpens.com/Pilot_Falcon_Rhodium_Soft_Extra_Fine_Fountain_Pen_p/pn60740.htm

 

Saying that is the Falcon nib.

 

 

I switched the title to "Falcon (Pilot Customs) Nib..." I hope it should be impossible to confuse.

 

Well FA is Falcon nib if you look at JP sites. Some just call it a Falcon under nib choices. And for Elabo choices it's Soft-X.

 

Once they comes to the US it will be absolute hell for the regular people. I still have no idea why they just didn't keep the Elabo name for the US market.

it's the same as keep the Vanishing Point as Capless <_< >_> but I think it's the marketing here... unless you like your pen to be called capless instead of a fancy-shmancy Vanishing Point...

[Icywolfe]

Only plus of the VP is you can shorten the name to VP.

 

With the pen Falcon aka Elabo is that they could had named it maybe Eagle or Hawk. Why a Falcon. Or they could have just kept it under the Namiki branding.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Icywolfe

[KBeezie]

Only plus of the VP is you can shorten the name to VP.

 

With the pen Falcon aka Elabo is that they could had named it maybe Eagle or Hawk. Why a Falcon. Or they could have just kept it under the Namiki branding.

 

Because the nib kind of looks like a falcon.

[Algester]

 

Because the nib kind of looks like a falcon.

but then it doesnt explain the vintage name of the Falcon nib with the 2 cut away designs which was probably by Sheaffer was it? or Esterbrook?

and Elabo in Japanese is as jargon as it is because it has no meaning... nor does it translate to falcon :X

Edited September 16, 2014 by Algester