What Did I Buy? (Wancher)

[Icywolfe]

I know it's not even Halloween and and I have Xmas pen. But seriously what did I buy? (Model of pen) The reason for buying this was that I bidded a certain amount thinking "I won't win"..... I won. Well I only liked it because it's a seasonal pen. Too bad the Xmas songs are too annoying.

 

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6031/p6hz7o976ot7awi6g.jpg

 

That said what is a Xmas like ink?

[KBeezie]

They didn't provide any retail packaging or brand of the pen on the nib etc?

[Icywolfe]

They didn't provide any retail packaging or brand of the pen on the nib etc?

The nib says Kaigelu

 

Box:

 

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6f29/cxhn68eu14cgvmo6g.jpg

[Notgatherox]

A Christmas ink? I recommend Diamine Wild Strawberry and Diamine Kelly Green.

 

And if I'm not wrong, this is your pen: http://www.engeika.com/product/1044

 

 

~Epic

[Icywolfe]

Well I know Wancher paints over existing pens so I'm wondering what was the existing model.

[bardiir]

That said what is a Xmas like ink?

 

De Atramentis has sometimes got some winter season inks like mulled wine ink, winter ink, winter forest ink

 

There is also scented fir ink:

http://www.fp-ink.info/colorcard/832.png

 

And there is Montblancs winter ink, but this is a LE and could come in extra pricy:

http://www.fp-ink.info/colorcard/377.png

[Kuscer]

I've seen Wancher pens before

they're quite popular actually

[Kuscer]

your pen is lovely, by the way

[Wolverine1]

IcyWolfe- dont you think your post ought to be in the sub-forum meant for Chinese pens?

[Icywolfe]

IcyWolfe- dont you think your post ought to be in the sub-forum meant for Chinese pens?

Well it's sold as a Wancher and I think that JP but the base pen is Chinese.

[KBeezie]

The nib says Kaigelu

 

Box:

 

 

 

Kaigelu is a cheap chinese brand just like Jinhao, Baoer, Wingsung, etc. Though I don't know which exact Kaigelu it is, it's not likely over $6 for it. I had a Kaigelu 363 that was kind of decent for a skinny metal pen.

 

I've seen Wancher pens before

they're quite popular actually

They're rebranded basically, some of their pens are pained Sailors, Platinums, etc.

Edited September 14, 2014 by KBeezie

[KBeezie]

Found it, it's a Kaigelu 358

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kaigelu-kangaroo-358-Fountain-Pen-Medium-Nib-Without-Box-/331265518486

 

Apparently only one seller has it on ebay right now.

 

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI4MFgxNjAw/z/dBMAAMXQysxSB5jl/$T2eC16NHJGQFFh)!MIUWBSB5jlf4JQ~~60_57.JPG?rt=nc

 

 

For the $20 that you got it for, you saved about $7 off the unpainted model. (if it were a more common model, it probably would have been around $7-10, but I suspect they don't make that model anymore and Engeika got their hands on a surplus for cheap).

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171446235944

 

The last time it was in an auction back in August, it went for $10

http://www.ebay.com/itm/380973616034

 

Personally, if it wouldn't hurt the resin, I'd strip that paint (bleep) off of that.

Edited September 14, 2014 by KBeezie

[Icywolfe]

So in a way I could've gotten it cheaper.

 

Also I do not understand how "Kaigelu" turns to "Kangaroo"

 

There is some protective coating coating the paint and it seem stronger than the PLT5000 Wancher they sell. But why strip the paint? I can be singing jingles bells all year long. (And possibly annoy everyone around me.)

[KBeezie]

So in a way I could've gotten it cheaper.

 

Also I do not understand how "Kaigelu" turns to "Kangaroo"

 

There is some protective coating coating the paint and it seem stronger than the PLT5000 Wancher they sell. But why strip the paint? I can be singing jingles bells all year long. (And possibly annoy everyone around me.)

 

It's the sounding, since they don't have the exact same sounds in their alphabet it's the closest it comes I guess transliterated. Also since it's Chinese and not Japanese, the Kai part is probably not Ka-ee. (and I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere about how lu is naturally supposed to be pronounced ru).

 

I've noticed that a lot of the Chinese companies will choose a number of different naming conventions, some in original Chinese, some mimicking Japanese wording, some mimicking western wording (ie: Baoer, Crocodile, Duke, Uranus, Picasso, etc). I suspect that early on the manufacture Jinhao was probably surprised that some of their own pens with their own brand was more popular than the Baoer line they also produce, since I'd imagine Chinese brands were avoided like the Plague (more so than they are today).

 

It's probably also the reasoning behind the "Wancher" brand. It's owned by Engeika, but it's worded as if they're targeting the Chinese/South Asia demographics. Pure speculation, but it makes me think of a Chinese brand when I hear "Wancher". (As opposed to more Western/American with Winchester, etc)

Edited September 14, 2014 by KBeezie

[RMN]

Actually, Wancher sounds German to me... So I can quite understand it ends up in miscellaneous....

 

D.ick

[Icywolfe]

 

It's the sounding, since they don't have the exact same sounds in their alphabet it's the closest it comes I guess transliterated. Also since it's Chinese and not Japanese, the Kai part is probably not Ka-ee. (and I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere about how lu is naturally supposed to be pronounced ru).

 

I've noticed that a lot of the Chinese companies will choose a number of different naming conventions, some in original Chinese, some mimicking Japanese wording, some mimicking western wording (ie: Baoer, Crocodile, Duke, Uranus, Picasso, etc). I suspect that early on the manufacture Jinhao was probably surprised that some of their own pens with their own brand was more popular than the Baoer line they also produce, since I'd imagine Chinese brands were avoided like the Plague (more so than they are today).

 

It's probably also the reasoning behind the "Wancher" brand. It's owned by Engeika, but it's worded as if they're targeting the Chinese/South Asia demographics. Pure speculation, but it makes me think of a Chinese brand when I hear "Wancher". (As opposed to more Western/American with Winchester, etc)

Oriental Asian has problems pronouncing the R/L sounds. As each country has 1 character for it and pronounce it either R or L sound. One example is Koreans say "Radio" as "Ladio." Sadly I do to >.>

 

I thought Chinese brands would be avoid yet people were praising Jinhao pen in my newbie FP days I was surprised.

 

Kaigelu = Kay-gui-roo

[79spitfire]

The Kaigelu is a decent pen, if you like the paint be happy!

 

It's not my style, but hey, that's why there is more than one pen out there! I'm trying to talk my daughter into painting dragons on one for me....

 

Ink it up and enjoy it.

[KBeezie]

Actually, Wancher sounds German to me... So I can quite understand it ends up in miscellaneous....

 

D.ick

 

Wancher is a store brand by Engeika, which is Japanese. I am not aware of any of their pens being made from scratch, they're all re-branded (Japanese mostly, some Chinese it seems).

Edited September 14, 2014 by KBeezie

[KBeezie]

I thought Chinese brands would be avoid yet people were praising Jinhao pen in my newbie FP days I was surprised.

 

Because most of the western (european/american) brands for the same $2-10 price were (bleep) by comparison, and the Japanese alternatives were either unavailable in their region, or looked too much like a BIC Crystal for their preference.

[Icywolfe]

 

Because most of the western (european/american) brands for the same $2-10 price were (bleep) by comparison, and the Japanese alternatives were either unavailable in their region, or looked too much like a BIC Crystal for their preference.

cost wise the best bang for the buck in the lowest end is Chinese or JP pens. Why aren't Western brand there too? This always made me confused. Platinum got their Preppies and Plasir and Pilot got their Petit1 and Metro/MR. China got a whole load of low end good enough pens. I think Lamy's lowest end is the Safari that is more expensive than the Metro and most Jinhaos. I have very few Jinhaos with this stock nibs but they are decent nibs for the price. So my confusing question is how does some Chinese and Some JP manufacturers produce quality stuff at a extreme low cost. It's like they are losing money per pen sold.

 

Only thing I can think of they have extreme efficiency in the production dept and refined nib manufacturing so less QC'ing is needed. So less people is needed and just more robots.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Icywolfe