Hei Long Jiang

[hari317]

I want to share some pics of a pen which I think is a Hei Long Jiang. It is a well made pen, pen material appears to be Ebonite, the feeder is Ebonite, features a squeeze filler with a good quality metallic sac guard. It was gifted to me by a friend from Taiwan. Showing some pics of the pen along side an English Duofold Maxima. It would be nice if someone could tell me the model number or the common name for this pen.

 

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/hari3171/Golden%20Star/IMG_0315.jpg

 

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/hari3171/Golden%20Star/IMG_0322.jpg

 

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/hari3171/Golden%20Star/IMG_0316.jpg

 

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/hari3171/Golden%20Star/IMG_0317.jpg

 

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/hari3171/Golden%20Star/IMG_0321.jpg

 

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/hari3171/Golden%20Star/IMG_0318.jpg

 

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/hari3171/Golden%20Star/IMG_0319.jpg

 

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/hari3171/Golden%20Star/IMG_0320.jpg

 

Best

Hari

Edited September 7, 2014 by hari317

[Scribblesoften]

Another very nice presentation of excellent photos. I wonder about the relationship between this pen and the later plastic Jin Xing pens like the 26 and 28. This is obviously a more solid pen. Perhaps Seele will weigh in on the possible connection. Thanks for posting this interesting pen.

[Seele]

It was not long ago that fellow member Whitedot organized a Taobao group buy, where the most attractive item is the Heilongjiang 28; plenty of members have acquired examples. I have also written about how the model numbers such as 28, 26, etc, were used in China as loosely defined specifications for pens. Therefore HLJ 28 is quite similar to Golden Star 28 and so on. Of course, within the specifications a great degree of variation is possible; the early Type 28 examples, fior instance, were celluloid button-fillers, but these are of course injection-moulded thermoplastics bulb fillers.

[hari317]

Another very nice presentation of excellent photos. I wonder about the relationship between this pen and the later plastic Jin Xing pens like the 26 and 28. This is obviously a more solid pen. Perhaps Seele will weigh in on the possible connection. Thanks for posting this interesting pen.

thanks!

 

It was not long ago that fellow member Whitedot organized a Taobao group buy, where the most attractive item is the Heilongjiang 28; plenty of members have acquired examples. I have also written about how the model numbers such as 28, 26, etc, were used in China as loosely defined specifications for pens. Therefore HLJ 28 is quite similar to Golden Star 28 and so on. Of course, within the specifications a great degree of variation is possible; the early Type 28 examples, fior instance, were celluloid button-fillers, but these are of course injection-moulded thermoplastics bulb fillers.

Seele, is there a resource or a page where I can learn more about the firm Heilongjiang, the models they made etc.

[Seele]

thanks!

 

Seele, is there a resource or a page where I can learn more about the firm Heilongjiang, the models they made etc.

 

Hari,

 

No, the fountain pen user community in China has been most resistant in making efforts to document their industrial history; it turns out that I was the most active person doing that, despite the tremendous difficulties for being nowhere near that country, and not able to speak the language.

[hari317]

Thanks! I will wait for you to write the page then.

[Seele]

Thanks! I will wait for you to write the page then.

Hari, I will definitely not do that; in fact I have decided not do write such things anymore. The lack of information and the refusal for others to offer any help whatsoever cdertainly do not help, and at the Chinese pen forums they always say I should write them as they wouldn't be bother to do so.

[hari317]

Hari, I will definitely not do that; in fact I have decided not do write such things anymore. The lack of information and the refusal for others to offer any help whatsoever cdertainly do not help, and at the Chinese pen forums they always say I should write them as they wouldn't be bother to do so.

That is unfortunate.

[Seele]

That is unfortunate.

No big deal; after all, bearing in mind of all the factors, I am the least suitable person for writing articles like that anyway: language issues, location, inability to track down and interview witnesses (staff members etc), inability to track down and access surviving documents, and even to know who to telephone to start an enquiry. These can be easily done by someone actually located within that country, but if no one is interested in making efforts, they might just go ahead and lament the loss of their own industrial history, and the fact that they keep telling me to write these articles so they can read them is, to my mind, very distasteful.

Edited September 9, 2014 by Seele

[richardandtracy]

Do you have any idea why they are so reluctant to record such things?

 

Almost makes me wonder if it's a reaction to official re-writing of history on a regular basis, so frequently that people distrust what's written.

 

Regards,

 

Richard

[Seele]

Do you have any idea why they are so reluctant to record such things?

 

Almost makes me wonder if it's a reaction to official re-writing of history on a regular basis, so frequently that people distrust what's written.

 

Regards,

 

Richard

Richard,

 

I am talking about the fountain pen users community within that country. But of course, caring about one's own history is not something deemed terribly important among Chinese enterprises, so it's hard to find primary information. What further complicate matters for a researcher nowadays, is the proliferation of ostensibly reference material websites for the purpose of getting advertising revenue, and yet they clone each other's posted information verbatim, and none of them have any citation at all for the most basic fact-checking.

[rwilsonedn]

There is also the issue of personal safety. If you are observed to be collecting historical or commercial information and your purpose is not obvious to the police (or they don't believe you) things could get very difficult. That would especially be the case if you ran across something that some local official deemed a state secret, if only because it could be personally embarrassing. Chinese law on state secrets is much more flexible and covers a much wider range--including commercial data--than either espionage laws or trade-secret laws in the US. So while there might be a very low probability of getting into trouble for trying to learn about an extinct fountain pen company, there is always the risk of a misunderstanding with consequences beyond what people in the US or Western Europe would expect.

In such an environment, why take the chance?

ron

[Seele]

Ron,

 

What you said might be a factor, but having been as close to the frontline as can be - so to speak - I have been repeatedly told by those in the fountain pen community there, that they all want to have finished, information-rich articles available to them, but they're just not interested in making any effort to contribute to the gathering and collating of these information, even if they're just a short drive away from the source of primary data. One or two expressed interest and I had to explain the difference between primary data and secondary data, and yet no action followed.

[richardandtracy]

Is about the most coherent thing to be said about that!

 

Regards,

 

Richard