Waterman #17 Nib 7

[turnippony]

I have a waterman #17 with a #7 nib. I also have the box the pen came in. I have owned this pen for 15 years. The only thing wrong is the color is not black. I have been told this is a very rare pen and was wanting to know the value. There is very little I can find out about this pen. Could someone help me with this.

[turnippony]

Please can anyone help me with this waterman #17 eyedropper pen and a #7 nib. i am needing information on pen and the value of this type of pen. i am told it is very rare and hard to find.

[RMN]

Sorry, I can't help you myself.

 

Of course, the more rare a pen gets, the more difficult it is to find someone who can say something reliable on it.

 

And Value??? In my language there is a saying that translates: it is worth what a fool will give for it.

 

Value depends from where you offer it, how you present it, how fast you want your money. There are no fixed prices on vintage models.

 

HTH

 

 

D.ick

 

 

Edit: it does not really help opening multiple questions and bumping questions. If there is no answer it is because no one has been active here who knows more about it. I will close the other question as it will only confuse to have two topics open.

 

 

Also: Pictures DO help a lot, so people know what you are talking about.

Edited September 8, 2014 by RMN

[Procyon]

It is very hard to estimate a value on a pen that is rare. There really is no market price, because they seldom change hands. Like REM says, it is worth what someone will pay for it.

 

A lot depends on condition. You said it is not black. That would be a good thing if it means it was red or mottled red and black. However, I expect you meant it was oxidized to a brown shade. I really don't know how to take a guess at the value without some pictures. It is certainly valuable. I only vaguely remember seeing one other one on the internet.

 

Sorry, I am not much help. If you post some pictures, you might get better responses.

[robert1962]

I can add a few tidbits:

 

Some years back, I did my own search on the 17. I looked at a download of a Waterman's 1902 catalog and saw no mention of a #7 nib offered in any style holder. I next looked at a 1908 catalog..... Bonanza! Straight caps (#7), taper caps (#27), cone caps (#17). Even pump-fillers (#17p) were listed! IIRC all were shown as being available in Plain, Chased, Mottled, and Cardinal. There were also Sterling 417s in Black and in Cardinal, an etched 217 in Black, and a stubby, gold-banded Chatelaine (that would be one cool ring-top). I have not looked at any other catalogs that would be relevant. Hopefully others can verify the years the New York 7 nibbers were offered.

 

Were all of those listed varieties produced? I doubt it. Any 17p Mottled Pumpers out there?

 

I have seen, or have heard of 17s in Plain, Mottled, Chased and Cardinal, as well as Fine silver "filigree" (4)17s in Black and in Cardinal (mine). I have never seen any of the other holder varieties; maybe I don't hit the right garage sales, or pack the right wallet. I think the existence of the Fine silver examples would indicate 1907, or a smidge earlier, but I am only guessing.

 

Value has already been addressed elsewhere. I would only add that these are scarce, but they are also obscure. Lots of collectors would love one, but how many collectors list, by name, a 17 as their "Grail" pen? The collector who wants this pen probably has a "wouldn't mind one of those" list that is at least as long as a Red Giant, and likely includes some more "visible" rarities.

 

Yes - pictures! Remember that many readers have never seen one, and that your actions with a rare item can affect the valuation you seek.

 

Enough about pens! Its Seattle..... Its September.... its sunny! Gotta go!

 

Bob

[kirchh]

Enough about pens!

 

Um....what???

 

--Daniel

[Left FPN]

 

Um....what???

 

--Daniel

From my love of Frasier Crane, where it always seemed to be raining, robert1962 is not going to miss out on some 'current bun'.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Force

[turnippony]

Well I see I have many who have very little to offer here. I would think that there would be more intelligent knowledge available on this site! However, I see that most of the advice is full of philosophical jargon that is full of idiocy. I will never ask a reasonable question on here again. That way I will be assured the mental deficient can show someone else their witlessness.

[irrigger]

From your response it is quite obvious that your only interest is to find a sale value for this pen. The Mod suggested that you have patience and post a photo so that other members may see what you are asking about and possibly help answer your questions. But, you assumed that nobody cared or have nothing to offer.

 

Well I see I have many who have very little to offer here. I would think that there would be more intelligent knowledge available on this site! However, I see that most of the advice is full of philosophical jargon that is full of idiocy. I will never ask a reasonable question on here again. That way I will be assured the mental deficient can show someone else their witlessness.

 

Your response screams that you yourself are quite unknowledgeable about pens in general. If you cannot sift through the information that was provided to come to the conclusion to wait, then you have bigger issues.

[Left FPN]

If its not black, WHAT COLOUR IS IT, is it Red Rubber $17000

 

As has been said you have had 10 days to post pictures or links to pictures so really you have not helped much. Hey we all love pictures.

 

Topics sometimes do get distracted but that's only for a while and it keeps it visible.

 

Have I mentioned my bad back, which I do suffer with, it's been 15 days now and still giving me grief.

 

[robert1962]

Force,

 

The graphic image helps, but all I can offer regarding your bad back is some philosophical jargon full of idiocy.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Bob

[Xof72000]

I have a waterman #17 with a #7 nib.

 

 

It's not very difficult to take a picture of it, then.

Why don't you do it ?

 

 

Is it the return of the "Brandon Cifany" members ? ....

Edited September 16, 2014 by Xof72000

[Left FPN]

Thanks Bob but I laughed which made it worse....DON'T MAKE ME .

I don't think he really has one or a camera.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Force

[Freddy]

 

 

 

 

 

It's not very difficult to take a picture of it, then.

Why don't you do it ?

 

 

Is it the return of the "Brandon Cifany" members ? ....

 

 

Agreed..sounds like someone we all know and love. {wink}

 

Fred

The right to be heard does not mean automatically..include the right to be

Taken Seriously...Complain to Mr. Hubert Humphrey...................

 

Fasinatin' ain't it..............................................................................................

Edited September 16, 2014 by Freddy

[Azuniga]

No comment about turnippony reaction.

I believe that we all want to see images of the pens, specially when it is considered rare.

Here are two images of my Wood grain Waterman 17 Eyedropper (13.5 cm) for those who had not seen it before...

 

 

[Cob]

No comment about turnippony reaction.

I believe that we all want to see images of the pens, specially when it is considered rare.

Here are two images of my Wood grain Waterman 17 Eyedropper (13.5 cm) for those who had not seen it before...

 

 

Thanks for posting those; what a beauty! My compliments.

 

Cob