Noodler's 54Th Mass Alternatives?

[Icywolfe]

Diamine Blue-Black Registrar's seems to run that color.

[KBeezie]

I haven't used 54th Mass. But I do have Noodler's Liberty's Elysium which does great in a Pilot Elite Mini, though it did have some drying out issues with some other pens. I think the biggest difference is that the Elite Mini does not have an exposed feed, the nib is inset and the feed is encased by the section sort of like a hooded (but with the top side of the nib exposed).

 

However according to this : http://noodlersink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/103012_noodlers-ink-properties.pdf

 

Liberty's Elysium is not "eternal" (fade resistant to UV) and is partially bulletproof, where as 54th is both eternal and fully bulletproof (the other two properties being forgery resistant and waterproof are shared between the two).

 

The shading of 54th reminds me much of the R&K Salix I use in my stub pen. Tad on the dry side but doesn't dry up that bad. (though the Goulet swab shows Salix looking a little more purple than I see it on my own paper).

Edited September 5, 2014 by KBeezie

[Icywolfe]

 

 

However according to this : <<<<< wrong link removed by moderator>>

 

I'm confused how does that video relate?

[KBeezie]

I'm confused how does that video relate?

 

... wrong pasting.

 

http://noodlersink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/103012_noodlers-ink-properties.pdf

[Komitadjie]

Heh, I'm thinkin' that was a wrong link.

[katerchen]

 

... wrong pasting.

 

 

At least it wasn't anything ... salacious

 

-lk

[Icywolfe]

 

... wrong pasting.

 

http://noodlersink.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/103012_noodlers-ink-properties.pdf

 

 

At least it wasn't anything ... salacious

 

-lk

 

I always had a nightmare of pasting the wrong link in any forum. Especially for the images with image BBcode, and that is why I post images slow. I basically check and check even more times. (At normal I have about 100 tabs open, and my mediafire has some drawings that are not so child friendly.)

[KBeezie]

 

At least it wasn't anything ... salacious

 

-lk

 

I usually save those to disk and then re-attach via facebook messaging if it's something like that since the links usually die after just a couple hours. (which is usually tasteless memes from 4chan).

Edited September 5, 2014 by KBeezie

[Icywolfe]

 

I usually save those to disk and then re-attach via facebook messaging if it's something like that since the links usually die after just a couple hours. (which is usually tasteless memes from 4chan).

That "site" links will have a leech protector. I'm sure you made some look up that "site."

[katerchen]

So, right back on topic ... my bottle should be here tomorrow. I'll try the 2:1 (or maybe even 1:1) dilution with distilled water. 1:1 actually worked out nice for Elysium.

[KBeezie]

That "site" links will have a leech protector. I'm sure you made some look up that "site."

 

It's not a leach protector per se, just that they expire their links after a few hours, probably legally "safer" for them to do so to prevent them as being an anonymous image host.

 

Anywho, that's a bit off topic.

 

So, right back on topic ... my bottle should be here tomorrow. I'll try the 2:1 (or maybe even 1:1) dilution with distilled water. 1:1 actually worked out nice for Elysium.

 

I'll have to try that in a sample vial and see how that goes with some of my pickier pens.

Edited September 5, 2014 by KBeezie

[Icywolfe]

 

It's not a leach protector per se, just that they expire their links after a few hours, probably legally "safer" for them to do so to prevent them as being an anonymous image host.

 

Anywho, that's a bit off topic.

 

In the infamous section of that "site" uses a leech protector.

 

So, right back on topic ... my bottle should be here tomorrow. I'll try the 2:1 (or maybe even 1:1) dilution with distilled water. 1:1 actually worked out nice for Elysium.

I heard you can use some type of Kodak film chemical to make it thinner.

[KBeezie]

In the infamous section of that "site" uses a leech protector.

 

I heard you can use some type of Kodak film chemical to make it thinner.

 

You'd have to be a little specific in regards to "film chemical" since I have some of that around both in liquid and powder form, and usually with B&W development you have at least 3 basic steps (not counting washes or pre-wetting) Developer to develop the film, the stop bath stops the developing action, and the fixer makes the negative permanent.

 

I can't see any of those being particularly useful mixed with ink and may actually be harmful.

 

However I think you're talking bout the chemical sometimes used in the drying process, a wetting agent per se. Like Photoflo 200, the idea is with a little bit mixed into the final rinse bath, the water would just glide right off the negatives while hanging to dry so that you didn't end up having any hard water deposits or spots left behind on the negative as it dries. I could potentially see that as being a possible "Flow enhancer" for inks since it would eliminate the surface tension. Though they do have flow enhancers specifically for inks, usually only requires like a drop per bottle.

 

Liberty's Elysium though is a pretty wet ink already, so thinning AND increasing the flow might be a bit much.

 

... I actually kind of miss the smell of fixer in the morning... (Stop bath... not so much)

Edited September 5, 2014 by KBeezie

[Icywolfe]

 

You'd have to be a little specific in regards to "film chemical" since I have some of that around both in liquid and powder form, and usually with B&W development you have at least 3 basic steps (not counting washes or pre-wetting) Developer to develop the film, the stop bath stops the developing action, and the fixer makes the negative permanent.

 

I can't see any of those being particularly useful mixed with ink and may actually be harmful.

 

However I think you're talking bout the chemical sometimes used in the drying process, a wetting agent per se. Like Photoflo 200, the idea is with a little bit mixed into the final rinse bath, the water would just glide right off the negatives while hanging to dry so that you didn't end up having any hard water deposits or spots left behind on the negative as it dries. I could potentially see that as being a possible "Flow enhancer" for inks since it would eliminate the surface tension. Though they do have flow enhancers specifically for inks, usually only requires like a drop per bottle.

 

Liberty's Elysium though is a pretty wet ink already, so thinning AND increasing the flow might be a bit much.

 

... I actually kind of miss the smell of fixer in the morning... (Stop bath... not so much)

I was hoping somebody knew what I was talking about and added to my comment. For some reason I can't remember the name it's a liquid thingy. From others on this site said you need only 1 drop. I think it's Kodak Photoflo

 

I don't think LE is wet. I find it pretty dry-ish like my Diamine IG.

 

Somehow I imagined a druggie for a second there.

[KBeezie]

I was hoping somebody knew what I was talking about and added to my comment. For some reason I can't remember the name it's a liquid thingy. From others on this site said you need only 1 drop. I think it's Kodak Photoflo

 

I don't think LE is wet. I find it pretty dry-ish like my Diamine IG.

 

Somehow I imagined a druggie for a second there.

 

And I did mention Photoflo in the paragraph you quoted which makes sense, since it is a wetting agent that I used pretty often when developing most of my 35mm negative (didn't really need it for the 4x5 sheet film as most of the water dripped off pretty quickly on such short distance). But yes you didn't need much photoflo, 1 or 2 drop was enough for the gallon of water to wash the negatives in. I think the stuff made for inks is a diluted form of a wetting agent.

 

LE is described as wet by Brian Goulet, my first batch was really dry and chalky (and stopped up my pens in less than 3 minutes) and it wasn't supposed to be that way so I had the bottle exchanged which flowed much easier, but it's not "too" wet depending on the pen that it's in. But when you go to clean LE from a pen, it will leave behind a chalky blue film in the nooks and crannies of the feed you can't reach and usually stays there until you do an ammonia flush.

Edited September 5, 2014 by KBeezie

[Vlad Soare]

Photoflo was also what came to my mind when reading about a Kodak chemical that could serve this purpose.

Basically, that's just a highly concentrated wetting agent, nothing fancy.

[Icywolfe]

I know you did mention it but I was explain why I didn't say Photoflo.

 

i heard dish washing soap is a good chemical too.

[KBeezie]

I know you did mention it but I was explain why I didn't say Photoflo.

 

i heard dish washing soap is a good chemical too.

 

Too many unknowns for me since dish washing soap could contain just about anything depending on which one you get.

[Icywolfe]

Yeah that is why I've seen most here just recommend photoflo.

[Vlad Soare]

Dishwashing liquids contain all kinds of scenting agents, coloring agents, emollients, etc. You never know what side effects they might have when used for other purposes.