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Very Broad (Oblique Stub?) Waterman's Ideal 2A Nib

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This is my first proper forum entry - I hope I do not break too many conventions.

 

This is mostly show and tell with photos but I do have a question or two.

 

I purchased an English made, unnumbered 40s/50s black Waterman pen - it is just a tad shorter than a 502 (might it be a 512?). While the pen is quite modest and unassuming, the Canadian made Ideal nib is most certainly not! To my untutored eye I would describe it as a 2 or 3 B oblique stub. Would that be correct? How would it have appeared in Waterman's catalogue?

 

The Pen is marked as simply "Waterman's Made in England"

One of the cap rings is loose - should I attempt to glue that or would it be best (safest!) to live with it?

 

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The Nib is Marked "Waterman's Ideal 14KT Canada 2A" At the right edge it is also marked (Hallmarked?) "F.D.W." It is nicely tipped and, while broad across the top, it has an oblique profile.

 

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The nib is around 2mm broad at the tip and lays down a line of around 1.2mm on the broad stroak. The writing sample (on paper with 5mm squares) shows the line variation of the stub. But being new to oblique nibs, as can be seen, I struggled to get the correct alignment of the nib to the page

 

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I hope that you found that interesting and I would be most grateful for any comments or assistance received.

 

Regards, Bob

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Waoouh !! What a very stub (even looks like an oblique stub ?) nib !

Really made for calligraphy.

 

FYI, "FDW" stands for Franck D. Waterman, what took the presidence of the compagny when L.E. Waterman passed away.

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Sweet! I have a pen with an earlier English broad stub nib. In the 20's Waterman listed 3 different Stubs and 1 oblique nib in their catalog but didn't explain the difference between the stubs. This is a 40's era pen and nib but they seem to have kept a lot of the old nib options.

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that is an absolutely beautiful nib. awesome find! don't glue the rings. the proper repair is to swaddle them, if you glue the rings it will make it impossible for someone later down the line to do the proper repair.

 

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that is an absolutely beautiful nib. awesome find! don't glue the rings. the proper repair is to swaddle them, if you glue the rings it will make it impossible for someone later down the line to do the proper repair.

ahhh, Swaddle. Out of interest, how is it done i.e. what tooling is required.

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dude, thats like a screwdriver.

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ahhh, Swaddle. Out of interest, how is it done i.e. what tooling is required.

I agree - A description of the art of swaddling would be great!

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Is it called "swageing" or something like that? No sure of spelling. I always thought it would be a great Scrabble word though! And an explanation of how it's done would be very helpful. BTW "Swaddling" to me means wrapping a small baby tightly in a blanket, an effective way to calm down a fussy newborn.

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Is it called "swageing" or something like that? No sure of spelling. I always thought it would be a great Scrabble word though! And an explanation of how it's done would be very helpful. BTW "Swaddling" to me means wrapping a small baby tightly in a blanket, an effective way to calm down a fussy newborn.

For grown-ups they call that a straitjacket.... ;)

 

But indeed, interested to hear about the technique.

 

 

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or more Swaging...the shaping of metal either to increase or decrease its size. I would still like to see how this is done to such a thin ring without it buckling.

 

Even to know how it was done when new would be nice.

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Swaging takes special tools and some (as in, lots) experience. As far as I know there aren't many who have the tools or experience to do that kind of repair, but I'm pretty sure Ron Zorn of Main Street Pens is one of them.

 

Great pen, I'm envious!

 

To reinforce what Uncle Red mentioned, here is a photo of an early (1920s) Waterman's 12 with a nib along the lines of the one you showed:

 

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Swaging takes special tools and some (as in, lots) experience. As far as I know there aren't many who have the tools or experience to do that kind of repair, but I'm pretty sure Ron Zorn of Main Street Pens is one of them.

 

Great pen, I'm envious!

 

To reinforce what Uncle Red mentioned, here is a photo of an early (1920s) Waterman's 12 with a nib along the lines of the one you showed:

 

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Is that factory tipped or post factory.

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That's an original factory tip - its 1.96mm at the very end, using digital calipers.

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