Help! I Have A Vintage Pen 1St Edition 22 K Gold Filled Legrand 146 Solitaire, Was Of My Dad, I'd Like To Know A Little More About This Model!

[eduardogrijalva]

I found this pen mont blanc at the home of my parents, doing a little Internet research I think is the model: Vintage pen 1st Edition 22 K Gold Filled Legrand 146 Solitaire. but I would like to know a little more about her and what would its approximate value.

 

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[Wolverine1]

Check EBay for sold items, and you will get an idea of what such a pen selling for these days.

[jar]

I don't see any hallmarks. What makes you think it is 22k gold?

[eduardogrijalva]

precisely for this reason, I need your advice, to know more about it

[eduardogrijalva]

I don't see any hallmarks. What makes you think it is 22k gold?

i use of reference this site: http://www.thepenseller.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=192

[Freddy]

A Montblanc 146 Solitaire Vermeil in a barley pattern.

Looks like someone tried to remove the section..and some nib work

may be needed.

 

Fred

[jar]

A Montblanc 146 Solitaire Vermeil in a barley pattern.

Looks like someone tried to remove the section..and some nib work

may be needed.

 

Fred

Again, unless there were 925 hallmarks even vermeil is unlikely.

[jar]

i use of reference this site: http://www.thepenseller.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=192

 

 

Okay. Gold filled is not 22k gold, and even there there should be hallmarks showing the percentage gold.

 

Don't believe everything found on the internet. Basically it is a plating over brass and so there is no great value based on the gold content. Look for sold MB Solitaires to get a price idea.

[Freddy]

Again, unless there were 925 hallmarks even vermeil is unlikely.

True..True..Queequeg, Harpooner.

 

Yup..did not see in provided photos.........

 

Fred

[Chrissy]

 

 

Okay. Gold filled is not 22k gold, and even there there should be hallmarks showing the percentage gold.

 

Don't believe everything found on the internet. Basically it is a plating over brass and so there is no great value based on the gold content. Look for sold MB Solitaires to get a price idea.

jar is correct. It isn't gold. It's 'vermeil' which is gold plating over brass. If it was gold plating over silver then the cap panel would have a 925 silver hallmark. It doesn't so it's what Mb call 'metal'

 

The section has definitely been messed around with, so it will need to be fixed. The nib tines don't look level and they both seem to go off to one side, so Freddy is right about that too.

[eduardogrijalva]

I received a feedback for a service company "Ritchmont on mexico", told me the following:

 

Great. It is an awesome pen. Very valuable for people who know it and understand it. It is first edition as it has clear blue window, not striped one. It is not ag925 silver made pen as montblanc. 1st edition silvers were not hold filled. 2nd edition silvers were fold plated and have pin striped lines.

 

18k solid gold nib is amazing stavle nibs from early models.

18k solid gold nibs were highly stable nibs from early models.

All pen is made of brass. Then layered with gold (rollerd gold or gold filled old technique ) better than newly gold plated models

All pen is made of brass. Then layered with gold (rolled gold or gold filled, old technique ) better than newly gold plated models

Best thing is that 1st edition gold solitaires were made of brass with gold fillings , which is a better combination than newere solid silver pens with gold plating.

Brass holds gold stronger and also if there is a scratch or a scuff, the brass matches the gold colour. In case of scratch or scuff on a gold plated solid silver pen, the gold will cone off and silver will be visible underneath , which will look bad .

Enjoy your pen...

Prefer to send for service, they may allign it for cheap pruce (£60ish)

To be honest , people are asking for £700- £1000.

But £400 to £500 is decent price for it.

 

 

[Freddy]

It's 'vermeil' which is gold plating over brass.

 

 

 

 

In Vermeil the base is Sterling Silver not brass..with the gold being at least 10 Karat

and covered with a minimum of 1.5 - 2.5 microns of gold.

The pen in question should have a hallmark..if it's gold filled or gold plated over brass..we

have not seen any evidence.....

 

Fred

[chunya]

I believe that Vermeil can be a base metal with a gold cover, it depends upon the thickness of the gold, which I can't recall offhand, but you are right in saying it needs to be at least 10K gold. But the law is different in the States than over here.