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I had previously posted regarding certain "aftermarket" accessories that had been added to a recently acquired Waterman 412.

I am trying to figure out the age of the pen.

I am guessing somewhere in the ballpark of ~100 years old or so.

 

Has some nicks in the grip section, and is missing the clip, but really nice writer. Who knows what my family member paid for the thing (I wasn't there at the time).

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Waterman numbering system changed in 1917.

If your pen reads 412 (or 0412), it should date before 1917.

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Thanks. It's stamped 412.

Just had a feeling that it was rather old. But didn't know enough about Waterman's numbering system.


Any particular inks that shouldn't go through them?

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While the numbering system changed in 1917 the 12 itself did not change and is cataloged up to 1930. 412 is a 12 with sterling silver overlay, there was never a 0412 since Waterman did not use silver plate for overlays. The 412 is in the 1925 catalog but not the 1930 one.

 

So, how old is it? What is marked on the nib? Can you show us a picture? Can you show us a picture of any marks on the barrel? A picture of the overall pen would help too. Waterman changed it's markings from time to time and overlay patterns changed too.

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Gah, I'm terrible with this iPhone camera. Also, seem to have large image file sizes for uploading:/

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-puwVUDY6A00/UOdkaIb0OMI/AAAAAAAAA00/neJbhBgKOoc/s1600/2.JPG That's a pretty good representation of the design.

 

 

 

 

 

Imagination and memory are but one thing which for diverse reasons hath diverse names. -- T. Hobbes - Leviathan

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While the numbering system changed in 1917 the 12 itself did not change and is cataloged up to 1930. 412 is a 12 with sterling silver overlay, there was never a 0412 since Waterman did not use silver plate for overlays. The 412 is in the 1925 catalog but not the 1930 one.

 

 

 

 

You're right Uncle Red ! ... Seems I'm mistaken on that case ...

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Gah, I'm terrible with this iPhone camera. Also, seem to have large image file sizes for uploading:/

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-puwVUDY6A00/UOdkaIb0OMI/AAAAAAAAA00/neJbhBgKOoc/s1600/2.JPG That's a pretty good representation of the design.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's the most common patern but there are 2 variations. Does it have 3 leaf clusters or 4 leaf ones?

Does the nib have a star on it or does it say New York on the nib?

Can you see the imprint on the barrel? How many lines is it?

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Waterman numbering system changed in 1917.

If your pen reads 412 (or 0412), it should date before 1917.

 

 

That should be AFTER 1917.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana." - Groucho Marx

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That should be AFTER 1917.

 

Yes, thanks again Procyon ... I've allready said above that I am mistaken ...

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No, the numbering system changed during 1917. David Nishimura has a write up of the timeline.

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Oops, sorry, Xof72000, I guess it was implied in the discussion, but I didn't see anybody actually say it.

 

And Uncle Red, I know the system changed in 1917 - I wasn't making a distinction between "1917 and later", and simply "later". I said >1917 and it should have been >=1917. My bad, but the easier question to answer is "before" or "after", and is only one year off in any case.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana." - Groucho Marx

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