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Monteverde Invincia Deluxe, And Other Options


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So my birthday is almost, kind of coming up and I would like to buy my first pricey pen. I'm looking really hard at one of the Invincia Deluxes and read about a lot of problems that were mostly all resolved by their customer service, and, most of the threads are at least a few years old. Do they still have feed problems? Does the black paint still peal off and should i go Rose Gold instead of all black? It seems like problems with the cartridge coming loose have been fixed a while ago by adding threads which I really like. Overall I like this pen SO much more than anything else I've looked at, they're real heavy, all metal, and can completely come apart with ease. And the shape looks like it's what I would like and be comfortable with.

 

I've also looked at the Sheaffer Sargaris, I really don't like the shape of the nib, which turns me off. I looked at the Twsbi Classic (I don't want to go see through so no 580) but also read problems about cracking, and having a piston that doesn't hold any extra ink than a normal converter (worst of both worlds) and I'm not sold on its grip part. I do like it though second only to the Monteverde mentioned above. It has a nice burgundy color and the badge at the end of the cap looks really nice. So, Are there any other pens I should look at between $50-$100? And does anyone know anything else about the problems with the Invincias?

 

Currently I have a Jinhao, Pilot Metro, and a Nemosine singularity, so I have some experience already. And my nib of preference is a F/EF. Thanks.

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My invincia deluxe carbon fiber came with the paint peeling off.

The nib is meh. (Its a EF)

I hardly ever use it.

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Ohh that's what I don't like to hear about the paint, I assume it's the all black and purchased recently? The nib I hear is a little scratchy but I kind of like that opposed to being to smooth.

 

Also, does anyone have anything to say about the Sailor Young Profits? They're nice looking although a little more plain than I would like, I like my Pilots fine nib and I'd think the Sailors nib would be closer to that than most Western Nibs.

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I have a Monteverde Invincia Deluxe Nighthawk (first version), the Goulet EF nib is much nicer than the Monteverde Black-coated Fine nib it came with. (The MV Fine was ok out of the box in terms of smoothness, but it was very annoying with most of the inks I wanted to write with, like the ink was repeling the coating on the nib and making it very hard to have consistent and even ink flow, but iroshizuku tsuki-yo worked fine with the monteverde nib. Where as the goulet nib worked with every ink I threw at it). The Goulet EF was on my Jinhao X750, so I decided to swap the MV Fine onto the Jinhao (which matched it due to being "shimmering sands") and put the better Goulet EF onto the Monteverde.

 

My only disappointment was in less than a month the paint was coming off the section/grip, end cap, and clip.

 

http://static.karlblessing.com/pens/nighthawk/nighthawk_goulet.jpg

 

After 1 Month:

 

http://static.karlblessing.com/pens/nighthawk/nighthawk_1month.jpg

 

Other than the aesthetic of the paint loss, it feels very nice in the hands, and it has never dried out on me, up until about this month it kept a near-full converter of Iroshizuku Tsuki-yo that I had put in there back in March and had not had to change the ink (course I didn't write with it much since it started brassing), but I was surprised how well it sealed and kept the ink from drying out.

 

I suppose if it was a Kaweco pen, the brassing would be desirable, but I find it annoying because it ruins the "stealthy" appeal of the pen when you start seeing yellow brass showing up from under the black (and silver showing up from under the ball of the clip).

 

I've heard the same complaint in a few cases of some of their Rose Gold models (ie: the gold plating coming off).

 

 

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A picture of it with the original black-coated nib.

 

http://static.karlblessing.com/pens/nighthawk/posted.jpg

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My Monteverde Invincia has some paint scratched off from the bottom. Though i suppose that's my fault because i kind of 'drop' the pen into the pen container.

 

The most dissapointing part is that pretty much all the paint has come off the threaded section of the grip and cap. It's just this ugly blotch of copper and rust surrounded by midnight black.

 

Not so noticeable when you hold the pen, as your hand grips over the ugliness, but it is very noticeable when I show the pen to anyone else.

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My Monteverde Invincia has some paint scratched off from the bottom. Though i suppose that's my fault because i kind of 'drop' the pen into the pen container.

 

The most dissapointing part is that pretty much all the paint has come off the threaded section of the grip and cap. It's just this ugly blotch of copper and rust surrounded by midnight black.

 

Not so noticeable when you hold the pen, as your hand grips over the ugliness, but it is very noticeable when I show the pen to anyone else.

 

... Rust?

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Hahaha well it's not rust per se.

 

But it definatley looks like rust underneath that beautiful finish.

 

It's an ugly coppertone colour with fleks of black still clinging to it.

http://i.imgur.com/VymnkOK.jpg?1

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Thanks everyone for the replies, looking at the pictures I would think Rose Gold would be much harder to notice the paint wearing down, because as stated its kind of a rusty color and would blend in a lot more. The gold has kind of grown on me, it's still really slick looking and I think the accents really add something to it, Gold being much more subtle than the silver.

 

I'm still debating between the Monteverde and the TWSBI classic, what bothers me most about the TWSBI is that you can't remove the feed and nib if anything were to get clogged in there. Even though I would probably have to be careful what I feed it any way because of the piston filler I feel that being able to take a pen apart is a shure fire way to clean out any clogs and makes me feel safe and fuzzy when using it. I created some fountain pen novices at my school and I think they would be more impressed by the TWSBI because of the piston filler and viewing window. I still have time to think though, TWSBI is supposed to release a post able cap soon which I think would add some needed weight to it (love heavy pens, don't usually post), and I could always possibly get both...

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I acquired the Monteverde Invincia Deluxe Fusion in black chrome with carbon fiber barrel and F nib earlier this summer. I haven't even dipped the pen, as it is just too heavy for me. I'd be happy to sell it to you for 50% off list, plus shipping, so it doesn't just gather dust in my pen drawer...

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Thanks everyone for the replies, looking at the pictures I would think Rose Gold would be much harder to notice the paint wearing down, because as stated its kind of a rusty color and would blend in a lot more. The gold has kind of grown on me, it's still really slick looking and I think the accents really add something to it, Gold being much more subtle than the silver.

 

I'm still debating between the Monteverde and the TWSBI classic, what bothers me most about the TWSBI is that you can't remove the feed and nib if anything were to get clogged in there. Even though I would probably have to be careful what I feed it any way because of the piston filler I feel that being able to take a pen apart is a shure fire way to clean out any clogs and makes me feel safe and fuzzy when using it. I created some fountain pen novices at my school and I think they would be more impressed by the TWSBI because of the piston filler and viewing window. I still have time to think though, TWSBI is supposed to release a post able cap soon which I think would add some needed weight to it (love heavy pens, don't usually post), and I could always possibly get both...

 

Unless of course they're coating rose gold on top of something silverish and not brass, then it's just weird.

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I acquired the Monteverde Invincia Deluxe Fusion in black chrome with carbon fiber barrel and F nib earlier this summer. I haven't even dipped the pen, as it is just too heavy for me. I'd be happy to sell it to you for 50% off list, plus shipping, so it doesn't just gather dust in my pen drawer...

Thanks so much for the offer, I'm still tossing the two pens around in my head a bit, I'll PM you if I decide I want it.

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Despite the credible and multiple reports of the "paint" flaking on the Monteverde black-tone pens, I just acquired a Lava Gray Monteverde Intima F-nib. The pen is beautiful and well built. The nib is so-so without my having to "tune" it. Tuning the black colored nib will remove some of the black coating if abrasives are used. This is not the case if not simply aligning the tines is enough.

 

I have chosen to "sequester" my Monteverde Intima pen by only carrying it in a pen sheath. This is to avoid the black coatings from being damaged. Therefore, IMO this type of pen is NOT a work-horse daily carry without carrying it in a protective pen holder (or being Very careful). But the Intima it is still a nice pen,

 

As for Rose-Gold color. I recommend AVOIDING this type of plating. I have a TWSBI 580 Rose-Gold and the plating on the nib (so-far only the nib) has been a disaster. Corrosion and/or staining, even with well behaved inks. TWSBI sent me a new nib, and after replacement I'm watching the nib closely for the same problems.

 

"Real" Rose Gold can have as much as 50% copper in the alloy (and possibly some Zinc as well to push the color more a more to a yellow color). IMO, having a significant amount of copper in the allow is a BAD IDEA, especially for a fountain pen nib which will be in constant contact with ink; especially inks that may have non near-neutral pH.

 

That said, who's to say whether the rose-gold plating on these pens is "real" rose gold? Reports of the plating on the TWSBI 580 Rose Gold pen "pitting" with a green color hints that there is in-fact copper in the plating.

 

There's a thread in the "Reviews" FPN section for the TWSBI 580 Rose Gold where there is significant discussion about the plating corroding. I put some pics up in that thread that show what happened to my nib. TWSBI has not addressed this issue anywhere I can find as of my post date - despite many questions from users. In-fact TWSBI went on to release a white & rose-gold 580 mini. Time will tell.

 

The Monteverde pens are decent value in some very nice acrylics. I suggest sticking with one of their pens with silver-tone nibs and other parts ("furniture"). Not the black-tone stuff.

 

If the Monteverde nib isn't what you expect, provided the nib size is #6, replace the nib with one of the Goulet #6 replacement nibs (in silver-tone or gold-tone two color). The Goulet nibs are quite good in my experience. They are manufactured in Germany by JoWo if memory-serves. Note however, a Goulet two-tone nib will NOT match the rose-gold color of the rest of your pen if in-fact your pen is a rose-gold version.

 

Here's a link to the TWSBI Review thread on FPN:

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/255489-twsbi-diamond-580-black-rosegold-fountain-pen/?do=findComment&comment=2818910

 

Best of luck... David

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Ahh see I was kinda of thinking that since the other colors used a different kind of paint or plating it would be tougher than the problematic black paint. I have looked at Goulet nibs before, I've thought about trying a stub on my Nemosine or buying another jinhao to swap nibs out.

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Ahh see I was kinda of thinking that since the other colors used a different kind of paint or plating it would be tougher than the problematic black paint. I have looked at Goulet nibs before, I've thought about trying a stub on my Nemosine or buying another jinhao to swap nibs out.

I don't care for either Nemosine or jinhao nnibs, which is why both my Nemosine and jinhao have Goulet nibs on them. ;p

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