Can Someone Identify This Waterman Pen?

[Zorthianator]

I bought this pen a while ago and I can't find the exact model. It has a set that includes ink and an addon for the pen that provides a different type of nib.

 

Is this worth anything in particular? Anyway I could trade it for something else?

 

Thank you!

Edited August 15, 2014 by Zorthianator

[Uncle Red]

Pictures of the section and nib would be a big help. Looks like a nice pen, how does it write?

[Zorthianator]

Pictures of the section and nib would be a big help. Looks like a nice pen, how does it write?

Added more pictures! Hope it helps.

 

It writes very smoothly, I doubt it was ever used before since it was completely dry and the suctions thing inside the pen was completely transparent before I filled it up to see if it would work.

[Uncle Red]

These later pens are not my thing. I'm surprised no one has chimed in.

[RMN]

It is a pen I do not recognise. It is not on the captainchang site.

But last week there was a pen with similar nib called a jif-matic. This had a squeeze converter.

See here: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/270122-does-anybody-know-this-watermans-jif-matic-fountain-pen/

 

I wonder about the 88 on the cartridge pack. Last week there was another topic where boxes with that number and with 23 were shown, apparently older types of Waterman cartridges?

 

I would think this pen to be 60s or thereabouts, an answer of Waterman to the P51 and P61.

 

 

 

Edit. Could be an X-pen. This has a capillary filler. You put it in the ink for a while and it sucks in the ink, like with the P61.

 

 

D.ick

[Zorthianator]

It is a pen I do not recognise. It is not on the captainchang site.

But last week there was a pen with similar nib called a jif-matic. This had a squeeze converter.

See here: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/270122-does-anybody-know-this-watermans-jif-matic-fountain-pen/

 

I wonder about the 88 on the cartridge pack. Last week there was another topic where boxes with that number and with 23 were shown, apparently older types of Waterman cartridges?

 

I would think this pen to be 60s or thereabouts, an answer of Waterman to the P51 and P61.

 

 

 

Edit. Could be an X-pen. This has a capillary filler. You put it in the ink for a while and it sucks in the ink, like with the P61.

 

 

D.ick

Thank you for the help!

 

Are these collectible? I've been thinking about trading it for something else.

[RMN]

I know very little about prices.

 

IF it is indeed the X-pen, it would be interesting for the real collectors. These capillary systems are not easy to use, so people would not bother, I guess. I hope one of the other real collectors chimes in.....

 

 

D.ick

[Left FPN]

Does the pen have Waterman stamped/etched/engraved on it. While it is boxed with a bottle of Waterman ink it may not be what it seems.

 

If it does not I am sticking my neck out and saying it's not a Waterman pen set.

 

Is the name on the barrel engraved into the plastic. I assume it was a giveaway from the steel supplier to it's best customers. They are still in business so maybe someone there might know some history. Email them a picture.

 

As for value, again one of the Directors of Pfenninger Stahl AG might like it on their desk.

 

PS, we never did receive an answer on the 88 reference though having done a little searching I found this. It appears 1987 was an important period for the Gillette/Waterman company and 1988 was the first accounting period for Waterman pens under the Gillette company. Just maybe this was acknowledged with 88 on the ink packaging. I will make this a new topic for others to read. And further reading, if the pen is not endorsed Waterman could it be a Parker pen.

Edited August 17, 2014 by Force

[Zorthianator]

Does the pen have Waterman stamped/etched/engraved on it. While it is boxed with a bottle of Waterman ink it may not be what it seems.

 

If it does not I am sticking my neck out and saying it's not a Waterman pen set.

 

Is the name on the barrel engraved into the plastic. I assume it was a giveaway from the steel supplier to it's best customers. They are still in business so maybe someone there might know some history. Email them a picture.

 

As for value, again one of the Directors of Pfenninger Stahl AG might like it on their desk.

 

PS, we never did receive an answer on the 88 reference though having done a little searching I found this. It appears 1987 was an important period for the Gillette/Waterman company and 1988 was the first accounting period for Waterman pens under the Gillette company. Just maybe this was acknowledged with 88 on the ink packaging. I will make this a new topic for others to read. And further reading, if the pen is not endorsed Waterman could it be a Parker pen.

 

 

It's engraved on the cap saying "Waterman", so I guess it's really a Waterman set.

 

I will try to contact this company and see what I can find out about this pen.

 

Thanks!

 

Edit: I found this PDF document about some teachers magazine during the 1960s and found out that they used to advertise this pen to teachers in Switzerland. So I assume that the "88" has nothing to do with 1988.

 

Supposedly it's the WAT pen made by Waterman and used to cost 12.50 Swiss Francs, sold by Jif AG in Zürich.

Edited August 17, 2014 by Zorthianator

[Left FPN]

OK, lets see what they say.

[Zorthianator]

OK, lets see what they say.

 

Found the model of the pen.

 

It's a Super X-Pen Wat as according to this website:

 

http://www.richardspens.com/?page=ref/profiles/xpen.htm

[Left FPN]

 

Found the model of the pen.

 

It's a Super X-Pen Wat as according to this website:

 

http://www.richardspens.com/?page=ref/profiles/xpen.htm

It's not quite the same though. Your cap seals to the section with an O ring. Maybe an email to Richard as he may be interested in your pen design to add to his page.