Slip Cap Sj Size Model "w"...

[DanDeM]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261562016110&ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:US:3160

 

...that sounds like it can' t be re-saced. New to me.

The seller is also offering a beat up RHR Este ED.

 

Good seller. Bought some nice Estes from her during a previous addiction

[Hobiwan]

I've never seen one like that, but I've had other slip-cap pens, and if it has a sac, there has to be a way to remove the section to replace it. Maybe the seller hasn't tried very hard (or at all). I can see how one would be very touchy about such an attempt.

 

The pen that looks like an RHR is actually oxidized Black Chased Hard Rubber. They turn that color after years of exposure to air, sun, etc. It's been out there for a while, but with a badly cracked cap and a "non original" nib, the price is a bit too high, IMO, for an incomplete part.

 

Odd, they're also offering an Esterbrook gold Relief nib by itself in another listing (that also hasn't sold). Too bad the nib is English and the ED pen is USA made ....

[DanDeM]

I've never seen one like that, but I've had other slip-cap pens, and if it has a sac, there has to be a way to remove the section to replace it. Maybe the seller hasn't tried very hard (or at all). I can see how one would be very touchy about such an attempt.

The sticker probably spooked her.

 

Ya' know, you're in San Dimus. I'm in Fullerton. Someday we should have lunch. Seem to recall some descent places in Covina.

Edited August 14, 2014 by Blotto

[OcalaFlGuy]

$128 shipped for a little black Estie.

 

Silly C-Worders.

 

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

[pajaro]

An uncommon pen, from a good seller. I have been a c-worder from time to time, and things like this are interesting. I would like to know if it was made by Esterbrook like that, with the friction fit cap.

[Brian Anderson]

I don't believe it. A W pen is a desk pen, which doesn't have threads or a cap. Someone at some point could have affixed a jewel on the end (note how sloppy it looks). We have no indication of the inside of the cap. I bet it has threads. And of course the section has to come off, how does one put in the sac. I call BS and marketing on this. The seller knows better.

[Brian Anderson]

The pen that looks like an RHR is actually oxidized Black Chased Hard Rubber. They turn that color after years of exposure to air, sun, etc. It's been out there for a while, but with a badly cracked cap and a "non original" nib, the price is a bit too high, IMO, for an incomplete part.

 

I agree, a bit high for a heavily oxidized pen with a bad crack in the cap and a non original nib. It's flexible because it doesn't fit in the section properly. Also, I bet it doesn't work very well with a vented nib AND feed. Now, nothing to diminish the pen, Paul Wirt made Esterbrook Relief 314 eyedroppers are very hard to come by at a reasonable price, but they come up often enough that if I were looking, I'd just wait a little bit longer to get one that wasn't this bad and had the original nib.

[Hobiwan]

" ... If the arrow is straight and the point is slick, it can pierce through the dust, no matter how thick."

-- Bob Dylan, Restless Farewell

[pajaro]

So, that's a customer created rarity?

[Brian Anderson]

I highly doubt this pen is real. If I had a slip cap pen that was not ever seen because the standard model was a screw cap, I would point out two things, one, no threads on the section, two, no threads inside the cap. The section is pretty clear, the inside of the cap, not so much. It is also not a secret that the Model W was a desk pen. There are plenty of readily available sources that mention this. Catalogs, my website, I'd bet it is even present in Paul's book somewhere (sorry Paul, don't have it handy), and practically everyone has that book.

 

Now, I am in no way saying the seller created this pen to sell as a rarity. I have seen a lot of weird stuff that users have done to their pens to make them usable to them, metal jewels, waterman nibs in a renew point, different clips, you name it, I bet it was done. What probably happened here was someone who was handy went and removed the taper, fabricated the jewel on the barrel end and added a cap. The fact the sticker was on the pen is pure coincidence. Lots of pens have survived with sticker intact but heavy use on the pen.

[Hobiwan]

Catalogs, my website, I'd bet it is even present in Paul's book somewhere (sorry Paul, don't have it handy), and practically everyone has that book.

 

Now, I am in no way saying the seller created this pen to sell as a rarity. I have seen a lot of weird stuff that users have done to their pens to make them usable to them, metal jewels, waterman nibs in a renew point, different clips, you name it, I bet it was done. What probably happened here was someone who was handy went and removed the taper, fabricated the jewel on the barrel end and added a cap. The fact the sticker was on the pen is pure coincidence. Lots of pens have survived with sticker intact but heavy use on the pen.

 

By golly it's there. Page 31 of the '38 catalog part of the book "W - Desk Pen only .......... $1.00"

Never noticed that, as I didn't collect many desk pens, and never saw one with a sticker.

 

And yes, I'd also bet it's the former owner's "local field modification" (as we used to say in the Army), rather than an intentional fake job. Too easy to discover, and no one would blow a good rep as a pen seller for that little bit of money. The seller likely was just taken in by the possibility of discovering a one-of-a-kind rarity and neglected to do their due diligence. I'll send them a message.

[Edited] Can't find the listing. Guess they caught the discussion here and took it down.

Edited August 15, 2014 by Hobiwan

[DanDeM]

 

By golly it's there. Page 31 of the '38 catalog part of the book "W - Desk Pen only .......... $1.00"

[Edited] Can't find the listing. Guess they caught the discussion here and took it down.

 

Don't know why, but had no trouble getting back to the sale site.

 

The sticker reads:

 

W

DuraPt. $2,35

MstrPt. $2.95

 

 

...not $1,00.

 

Do those prices sound right for a desk pen?

 

Hope someone here bought it and can tell us about the cap threads.

Edited August 15, 2014 by Blotto

[pajaro]

For info, I have used a Parker 51 demi cap on the Esterbrook desk pen. It works, holds on and keeps the pen moist.

[Hobiwan]

 

Don't know why, but had no trouble getting back to the sale site.

 

The sticker reads:

 

W

DuraPt. $2,35

MstrPt. $2.95

 

 

...not $1,00.

 

Do those prices sound right for a desk pen?

 

Hope someone here bought it and can tell us about the cap threads.

 

Duhhh. I used a search instead of simply going to the link posted here.

The listing is noted as ending yesterday (having been sold), 12:16 PM Pacific time.

The $1.00 price was ca. 1938, before WWII. $2.35 would be a later, post-war price.