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#1 Jared

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:11

I have a number of blue black iron gall based inks, so I thought I'd do a comparison.  In addition to the usual color comparisons, and water tests, I thought I'd see how they looked when newly applied vs dried for over 24 hours.

 

Iron Gall Ink Test (small).jpg

 

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I'll note that I bought Diamine's Registrar's Ink years ago, but had to get rid of it when it turned on me.  After a couple of years on the shelf, the ink developed some dark gritty iron-like sediment in the bottom of the bottle which didn't mix when shaken, and the color of the remaining ink was watery grey, at best.  When it was new, it was an exact match for Akkerman #10, which confirms my suspicions that Akkerman Ink is nothing more than rebottled Diamine.  Not that that's a bad thing - I love Diamine Ink - but it helps with ones expectations.  I hope Akkerman #10 doesn't turn on me...

 

I found that most of the IG inks changed color almost instantly from light blue to dark blue or nearly black except for R&K Salix, which changes color gradually to a medium blue black.  Already, as I write this I can see the colors darkening...

 

My not-so-objective test also found the following:

Smoothest  (most lubricated) ink - Montblanc Midnight Blue (IG), followed by Akkerman #10

Driest (least lubricated) ink - ESSRI followed by Pelikan Blue Black

Easiest bottle to fill from - Akkerman #10 unique glass necked 60ml bottle

Hardest bottle to fill from - ESSRI's plastic 110ml bottle

Fastest drying ink - ESSRI or Akkerman #10

Longest to dry - Montblanc Midnight Blue

Most water resistant - ESSRI & Akkerman #10 (tie), followed by R&K Salix

 

My favorite...hard to tell.  Like my kids, I like each for a different reason. 

 

Pen used - Brause .75mm dip pen with overfeed

Paper used - Clairefontaine Pupitre 90g

 

Good luck in your own ink adventures.


Edited by Jared, 02 August 2014 - 19:01.


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:17

Thanks for this! I've been meaning to pick up an iron gall blue-black, and this guide helped me decide. 


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 02:14

I just bought a bottle of Salix and am LOVING it so far. 


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Posted 04 August 2014 - 02:18

Thank you Jared for your IG ink comparison review.  

I really like the way you photographed your writing samples, tests & the bottles.

 

Lately I've become a real fan of commercial iron-gall inks,... having one or another ink always in my rotation.  There seems to be more work flushing out the pens, but it's all worth it. 

Still need to get some ESSRI, Pharmacists & the new Organics Studio Aristotle.

 

Ever since having flow issues with Pelikan's 4001 sepia, I have not investigated any of the other inks in the series.

 

One of the inks on your list is Pelikan 4001 blue/black. 

I did not realize that the Pel b/b has ferrogallic component.  Must check this out.


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Posted 04 August 2014 - 03:28

Have you tested Lamy's Blue-Black? Is that iron gall?



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Posted 04 August 2014 - 12:12

Have you tested Lamy's Blue-Black? Is that iron gall?

 

I've tried out Lamy Blue Black, which also has an iron gall element to it, but it's too light for my tastes.  R&K Salix is about as light as I'm interested in going for a blue black.



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Posted 04 August 2014 - 13:19

I have a number of blue black iron gall based inks, so I thought I'd do a comparison.  In addition to the usual color comparisons, and water tests, I thought I'd see how they looked when newly applied vs dried for over 24 hours.

 

attachicon.gifIron Gall Ink Test (small).jpg

 

attachicon.gifIron Gall Ink Test-2.jpg

 

I'll note that I bought Diamine's Registrar's Ink years ago, but had to get rid of it when it turned on me.  After a couple of years on the shelf, the ink developed some dark gritty iron-like sediment in the bottom of the bottle which didn't mix when shaken, and the color of the remaining ink was watery grey, at best.  When it was new, it was an exact match for Akkerman #10, which confirms my suspicions that Akkerman Ink is nothing more than rebottled Diamine.  Not that that's a bad thing - I love Diamine Ink - but it helps with ones expectations.  I hope Akkerman #10 doesn't turn on me...

 

I found that most of the IG inks changed color almost instantly from light blue to dark blue or nearly black except for R&K Salix, which changes color gradually to a medium blue black.  Already, as I write this I can see the colors darkening...

 

My not-so-objective test also found the following:

Smoothest  (most lubricated) ink - Montblanc Midnight Blue (IG), followed by Akkerman #10

Driest (least lubricated) ink - ESSRI followed by Pelikan Blue Black

Easiest bottle to fill from - Akkerman #10 unique glass necked 60ml bottle

Hardest bottle to fill from - ESSRI's plastic 110ml bottle

Fastest drying ink - ESSRI or Akkerman #10

Longest to dry - Montblanc Midnight Blue

Most water resistant - ESSRI & Akkerman #10 (tie), followed by R&K Salix

 

My favorite...hard to tell.  Like my kids, I like each for a different reason. 

 

Pen used - Brause .75mm dip pen with overfeed

Paper used - Clairefontaine Pupitre 90g

 

Good luck in your own ink adventures.

Dear Jared,

 

I have tested some De Atramentis Document inks.

 

They are Iron Galll free nano particle pigment inks.... They comply to the ISO 27257-2 Standard the  European standard for Permancy in for example The Notary..

 

They are bombproof and categorised in the highest german Lightfastnees standard WS 8

 

The inks have some showthrough on cheap paper, this can be minimised using a M or F nib.

They are wet but dry wihtin 5-10 sec.

 

I have tested the Blue,The Dark Blue the Green and The Brown. Furthermore Red Magenta, Turquoise and Black are available.

 

I have tested these inks wiht sme very aggressive fluids... But nothing happened it is like these inks are carved in stone as you can see in the inks down here

 

DA Documetn Blue

http://www.fountainp...s-document-ink/

 

Dark Blue (Blue Black)

http://www.fountainp...-ink-dark-blue/

 

Brown and Green

http://www.fountainp...rown-and-green/

 

Since these inks do not contain IG they are absolutely safe for FPs. (do some regular cleaning though)

 

Best thing is, next to the growing numbers of coulours, that there is a special thinning agent available. You can't dillute the ink wiht water because of it's permanency

 

With this thinning agent you can mix  your own shade of every DA Document colour. I have a bottle at home and will test this soon.

 

For now thank you for your excellent comparison, it was very helpfl and I enjoyed it a lot :)

 

Regards,

 

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Posted 04 August 2014 - 17:08

Just two points of information:

Pelikan 4001 Blue/black is not iron gall ink. 

The New reformulated Lamy Blue/Black is not Iron gall ink (neither is the new reformulated Montblanc Midnight Blue).

 

Maybe that makes it three points of information.


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Posted 04 August 2014 - 18:06

Just two points of information:

Pelikan 4001 Blue/black is not iron gall ink. 

The New reformulated Lamy Blue/Black is not Iron gall ink (neither is the new reformulated Montblanc Midnight Blue).

 

Maybe that makes it three points of information.

 

I would agree that Pelikan Blue Black isn't a straight iron gall ink, but just as the old Lamy Blue Black and old Montblanc Midnight Blue, I believe it contains some element of iron gall, which is why it was included in the test.  Proper IG inks, such as the ESSRI, Diamine Registrars/Akkerman #10 are completely waterproof, which isn't the case with inks containing some degree of IG.



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Posted 04 August 2014 - 18:31

The possibility of Pelikan 4001 b/b being an IG ink piqued my curiosity. 

To this end, I've read all the FPN reviews of this ink, to date. 

I have read no evidence that Pelikan 4001 b/b ink has any ferrogallic content (either advertised or implied).


Edited by tinta, 04 August 2014 - 19:10.

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Posted 04 August 2014 - 21:10

To quote one of our more famous ink reviewers on the topic of Pelikan Blue Black's IG content:
 

I really don't know if 4001 BlBk has a 'whisper' of I-G; if not, I would bestow the Sequin Garter upon it for Best Impersonation Of An I-G Ink.


I would agree, as based on my personal experience, it sure acts like it contains some element of IG.

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Posted 04 August 2014 - 22:01

I greatly appreciate & usually defer to Sany1's extensive ink reviews. 

Sandy has conferred an "implied" IG characteristic on the 4001 b/b. 

But, whether IG or not,  it's a lovely blue black.  Enjoy!


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