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I was a bit infatuated by Danitrio Maki-e pens and discovered that anything I liked cost a fortune. So I'll hold off for now.

I currently have Nakaya Portable cigar in Heki-Tamenuri and love it. Just love it.

Dorsal Fin V1 is about $800 and V2 is $1220 and Naka-Ai cigar is $550 at Classic Fountain pens.

 

My question is Dorsal Fin V2 is most expensive, then Fin V1, and the regular price Naka-Ai. Are they worth more each?

Would there be anything other than the body shape difference? The nib sizes are the same, right?

 

Dorsal Fin V1 only has a fin on the cap.

Dorsal fin V2 has both and slightly curved.

 

I kind of like Fin V2 for it's dagger "Tantō 短刀" shape, but you could get two pens and keep the change for inks.

 

Are Dorsal Fin V1, V2 worth it over that much more than Naka-Ai?

 

http://www.nibs.com/www/WEBSITE%20PICS/Nakaya%20Pens/Naka-ai/Nakaya-Naka-ai-Cigar-Kuro-Capped.jpg-Naka-Ai

 

 

-Dorsal Fin V1

http://www.nibs.com/www/WEBSITE%20PICS/Nakaya%20Pens/DorsalFins/nakaya-dorsal-fin-version-1-kuro-tamenuri-capped.jpg

http://www.nibs.com/www/WEBSITE%20PICS/Nakaya%20Pens/DorsalFins/nakaya-dorsal-fin-version-1-kuro-tamenuri-capped-side.jpg

 

 

-Dorsal Fin V2

http://www.nibs.com/www/WEBSITE%20PICS/Nakaya%20Pens/DorsalFins/Nakaya-Dorsal-Fin-V2-Cigar-Kuro-Usushi-Capped.jpg

http://www.nibs.com/www/WEBSITE%20PICS/Nakaya%20Pens/DorsalFins/Nakaya-Dorsal-Fin-V2-Cigar-Kuro-Usushi-Capped2.jpg

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Any nib on one Nakaya can be had on any other Nakaya.

 

Both Dorsal Fin versions are larger than the Naka-ai, and I suspect this adds some to the cost of the pen. However, I assume the main culprits are the fins themselves. Since they are created by layering urishi lacquer, it takes more time and labor to create each pen; doubly so with the Dorsal Fin Version 2's two fins.

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Any nib on one Nakaya can be had on any other Nakaya.

 

Both Dorsal Fin versions are larger than the Naka-ai, and I suspect this adds some to the cost of the pen. However, I assume the main culprits are the fins themselves. Since they are created by layering urishi lacquer, it takes more time and labor to create each pen; doubly so with the Dorsal Fin Version 2's two fins.

Lennymarchese, thank you for your input.

 

 

Naka-Ai is 5 3/4"

Fin V1 is 6"

Fin V2 (not listed) I assume it's same as V1

 

So, for size wise it's only a quarter of an inch difference in length? I have no idea about the girth width. Look very similar or a touch thicker on Fin.

 

 

I found this post.

 

by Laserlight:

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Finalist, on 21 Jul 2014 - 12:57, said:snapback.png

I wonder how they hand shape the DFv2? it's obvious how a round pen is turned on a lathe, but how do they create this shape given it is a product line and not a few one-offs?

From what I read, this is done by applying a heap (or rather several layers to form a heap) of urushi by hand. Effectively, this is a product line consisting of an ongoing series of hand made one-offs :)

 

Edited by laserlight, 21 July 2014 - 13:29.

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/270441-dorsal-fin-v2-heki-tamenuri-m-hard-nib-bought-from-nibscom/?p=3058789

 

 

So, this answers that Fin V2 takes much more effort to create the shape.

 

It's a beautiful pen for sure.

 

Dilemma, two Naka-Ai or Fin V2?

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Dilemma indeed !! Post your decision when it is made please.

A wise man once said    " the best revenge is wealth "   but a wiser man answered back    " the best revenge is happiness "

 

The true definition of madness - Doing the same thing everyday and expecting different results......

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I'll post when I decide.

 

 

 

Since I have Nakaya fine nib I'd like to have a fine flexable nib.

I wonder how flexable Nakaya nib can be. I keep buying flex pens and modifying nibs to be a flex but I'm always on the look out for the next one.

 

How flexable is Nakaya flex nib?

 

A few days ago, I bought Danitrio Ban-Ei from FTN member and I did a quick drawing and compared with Stipula Bertinoro flexed by Masuyama.

Ban-Ei is more springy and less flex but it's good for a normal writing. Bertinoro is soft for a normal writing.

 

If I keep Ban-Ei, I would definitely grind down by Mike.

I wonder how soft or flexible Nakaya be?

 

 

 

 

Danitrio Ban-Ei

Bertinoro

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I wonder what nib this video is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWZLoPb3bLc

 

I'm looking for soft and flexible which I can create line variation without tearing or scraping the paper.

The above video is kind of what I'm looking for. I couldn't read Spanish.

 

I once ordered Omas Extra flessible pen, very expensive and was not flex enough, so I returned. It was an eye candy but not for me. I had to try it to see it.

Many trial and error because of online testing and buying. Wish there is a pen shows in town to try out. It's Toronto.

 

Any suggestions?

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I wonder what nib this video is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWZLoPb3bLc

 

I'm looking for soft and flexible which I can create line variation without tearing or scraping the paper.

The above video is kind of what I'm looking for. I couldn't read Spanish.

 

I once ordered Omas Extra flessible pen, very expensive and was not flex enough, so I returned. It was an eye candy but not for me. I had to try it to see it.

Many trial and error because of online testing and buying. Wish there is a pen shows in town to try out. It's Toronto.

 

Any suggestions?

 

It looks like a flexible fine two tone nib, possibly with added flex by John Mottishaw.

 

If you want a flexier option, you can take a look at the Spencerian modification

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/261788-nakaya-naka-ai-shobu-w-spencerian-nib/page-2

 

There is also the option of an elastic nib, these are the ones with the wings cut into their sides. I think you can find a few examples of elastic nibs here http://www.leighreyes.com/. I also believe you can have a soft nib that is also elastic, but I'm not positive. Of course you can have John Mottishaw do whatever customization you see fit to a given nib.

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Thank you lennymarchese!

 

After many pens bought and sold over the years and spent a lot of money and still looking for my grail pen. I know what I don't want.

I don't like any pen smaller that MB 146. Portable cigar is bigger than MB 146 and touch thinner than MB !49

I don't like old and rough or cracked because aesthetics is important to me. I don't like anything thinner than .25mm

 

Nakaya's simple clean line attract me most. If it has a clip then it loses the Zen feel. I guess I could put the pen in Kimono pouch and carry in the pocket?

The Kimono pouch is very much like the one my mom made for me for the Kendo sword long time ago in my youth.

 

 

So, Spencerian might not be good for me.

 

My ideal nib would be from .25mm (japanese EF) or .28mm (japanese fine) to a BBB. I'll prpbably ask John Mottishaw about customization.

Or I could send Danitrio Ban-Ei to Masuyama with thinner and add more flex and save money. But Nakaya is hard to resist.

 

Ahh, those urushi colours- Kuro-Tamenuri, so beautiful and imagine having Kanji letters to pens. It would be the Zen pen to die for.

I have to sell more pens.

 

 

P.S.: I have asked ebay seller about Danitrio Maki-e and it's roughly the price of a car. You could buy more than two hundred Dorsal Fin V2. Ha ha!

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The BBB is probably going to be the hardest part of it. Leigh Reyes has a good example of a flexy fine here

 

http://www.leighreyes.com/?p=3328

 

What's interesting though is this Omas nib about a third down the page that's been modified by John Mottishaw,

 

http://www.leighreyes.com/?p=2865

 

Obviously, Nakaya and Omas don't use the same nib, but it still shows you what he can do!

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I have a Long Cigar and a Dorsal Fin V2. I would argue that the V2 is worth it solely for the looks; it's easily the most beautiful plain urushi pen around in my opinion. The biggest differentiator in feel however is the section on the V2. The section is as long as on the Long, but it's also a good bit thicker. If you like a thick pen you'll adore the V2. I do not recommend the V1, but that's mostly because I think it looks lopsided.

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This nib is on my recently purchased Decapod twist. It came as a ' Super Extra Fine Needlepoint with flex notches' Couldnt really get on with it so I had it tweaked into a far more usable Fine (ish) cursive italic. Great results and can use the flex a bit more as well.

 

 

 

 

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I was in the same dilemma: Dorsal Fin vers. 1 or 2? Vers. 2 is indeed more expansive, but after a long waiting and waving, I decided for it. Its shape is really modern and traditional in the same time. And, of course, the FP is more dificult to be manufactured. So a Dorsal Fin vers. 2 in aka-tamenuri with a B stub nib is already on the way, ordered from CFP.

 

Naka-ay remains a nice "middle way' shape. I have a kinkyo/platinum "Housage" but I do not use it too often. There is a lot of Zen in it (shape, decoration) indeed. But for daily use I prefer the Long Cigar or the Writer Decappod.

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Portable cigar or long cigar is great price.

Would be really nice just to add 4 Kanji letters.

 

I might just do that if I don't go for Fin V2. Two long cigars with Kanji each 4 characters to make 8 character phrases. Comes from Chinese wisdom phrases.

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The DF2 already came (with B stub). It's beautiful indeed:

 

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Congratulations! Alex2014.

 

I'm sold on this one.

Which colour is it going to be???

A beautiful Kuro-tamenuri DF2 and a lovely Aka-tame on DF1.

 

I'm really tempted to get both. What a nice set. DFi and DF2. Nice couple!

I have to sell my other pens to do that though.

 

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The one thing I'd say about the Naka-ai is its taper gives it a very different feel in the hand. I've bought three of them - because I find them so beautiful - at different times but have got rid of them each time because I just couldn't get on with the writing experience. That narrowing towards the end give them a much less substantial feeling. I use long cigars and a Danitrio short octagon as my every day writers.

Wouldn't it be great if Nakaya used TWSBI piston fillers instead of Platinum cartridge converters?

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