Help Me To Identity This Meisterstuck Pix Fp

[vocabola]

Dear FPN forum members,

 

I need some help to identify a Meisterstuck "Pix" FP coming from my fathers' collection.

It seems to be a 144 or 145 model but there is no specification on the body, except for the Meisterstuck "Pix" sign.

The strange thing is about the nib: it's a single tone 4810 platinum one, 18k, with no size letter on. Usually 144 or 145 have two-tone nibs, am I right?

Anyway the pen seems to be genuine: it has a serial number and the Made in Germany statement on the top, plus the pix logo impressed under the clip.

It comes from a great genuine collection of pen, which includes many writers editions as well.

Could anybody help me to identify the model?

Thank you in advance!

 

 

[jar]

If it is real it is a 144. The real 145 has a threaded cap.

[logantrky]

Unfortunately, it looks like you may have a counterfeit. Although the 144 has a push-cap, the nib and trim on the cap look fishy to me.

 

Edit: By the way,

[chunya]

It would seem that it is a 144, it does not have a screw on cap, but the nib worries me. It would not be a platinum nib, I don't think, and so I would have some concerns about whether it is genuine. Could you post clearer pictures of the nib and the pen disassembled?

[chunya]

Whilst posting it seems others have the same concerns

[Mister Mont Blanc]

I don't have the assurance to say it's real unfortunately I'm not sure did they use 18k nibs for the 144? Also I have never seen any clip with just "Pix" alone stamped on it.

[vocabola]

Thank you very much for sharing your experience with me.

Here is the nib: I know this pen's history, I could not believe this is a fake!

Thank you!

[vocabola]

Here is the pen disassembled! Even the coverter is "Montblanc - Germany" taged!

[Mister Mont Blanc]

I am not familiar with converters of that model and era but I don't recall seeing ones with a metal ring at the bottom unless this is how the push-in converters were. I can even tell from the ball at the end of the bottom of the clip. I'm sorry about the news :/

[logantrky]

I'm still troubled by the single tone white nib. I don't recall ever seeing a 18K white gold/platinum nib on a 144/Classique. However, Montblanc DID make 18K nibs for 144s in different countries that did not consider it to be real gold unless it was 18K (such as France). These were only solid yellow gold and bi-tone (at least every one I have seen). The only way it could be a genuine white nib, IMO, is if it was re-plated with rhodium or something at a later date.

 

The converter looks a bit off, but I am less certain about that. I have seen push converters that look similar but every one I have seen has a black knob (yours looks gray).

 

If you want to be absolutely certain, you can send it to MB to have it verified (for a fee, of course).

 

Someone else may have better insight when it comes to the converter.

[Dillo]

Hi,

 

I think it's fake. The converter doesn't look like any MB has sold or made in the past or present. They used to have a push-in converter, but it looked different from that one. The slit and engraving don't align well. Having a small amount of misalignment is normal, but having it that much off is very unusual. Usually the nib should be single tone gold or double tone, even with an MB Classique that has platinum trim. May we see the back of the feed? The little piece on the clip that touches the cap typically touches the tip of the clip. There usually isn't a gap there. The clip also looks to be finished differently from a typical one. If the nib attracts magnets, it's most definitely fake. Some steel nibs don't attract magnets much though.

 

Dillon

Edited July 24, 2014 by Dillo

[vocabola]

Well, what I have to say anymore. If the pen is a fake, it's a bad news for me, because this pen came into my house from a loyal friend.

Other opinions are welcome. But please, since this is my first post, you have to know that I'm not familiar with MB fakes at all!

[I like mango cheesecake]

There is an ebay seller selling lots of 144's and 145's now. Lots of them are going for less than $100 with many bidders.

 

Seller is from HongKong and their feedback is a whole whopping ZERO. Many different ebay seller names but same style pics on the listing.

[logantrky]

Well, what I have to say anymore. If the pen is a fake, it's a bad news for me, because this pen came into my house from a loyal friend.

Other opinions are welcome. But please, since this is my first post, you have to know that I'm not familiar with MB fakes at all!

 

 

Without seeing your other pens up close, they look legitimate to me.

 

FYI, the 144/classique is the most widely faked Montblanc, and possibly the most faked fountain pen period.

[Dr. Eriko]

Hello. I have seen 18K nibs on MB 144 Solitaire models, but not in Rodium monotone. But I can recall a few 18K nibs with rodium monotone in a few Boheme models, maybe there was a nib change in this case. A good picture of the nib is going to be useful to clear any other doubts. If you can take apart the nnib, please show the picture of the nib behind, just to see the color, and the nib should be marked with "144" in the front and base of it.

Regards.

[chunya]

 

 

Without seeing your other pens up close, they look legitimate to me.

 

FYI, the 144/classique is the most widely faked Montblanc, and possibly the most faked fountain pen period.

Hi Vocabola,

 

The fakers are getting very good at perfecting their Art, so much so that you really have to look at the fine detail and compare with the existing spec knowledge base, but then as Dr Eriko points out, parts can be exchanged, which makes it difficult to compare. But I am still worried about the genuineness of this pen.

I would second logantryk's comment about the rest of the collection,and on the plus side, if this does prove to be a fake then at least it is not one of the most expensive ones, so not a massive loss.

 

It is possible that your friend was fooled, even if it came with a box and paperwork.

[vocabola]

Thank you very much friendS. I dipped the pen only once to make some signs and I was disappointed with the floating, because sometimes it stops or loses toO much ink. The best way to reveal a fake MB pen is testing it. Plus I did the magnet test, as Dillo gently suggested, and it was positive. No dubt now, it's a fake.

I would start a new topic now: what to do with a fake MB FP?!

[chunya]

Sorry it didn't turn out well.

[A1979]

I would start a new topic now: what to do with a fake MB FP?!

Try to sell it as a non-fake (maybe not here on the classifieds) ! :)

[jar]

Thank you very much friendS. I dipped the pen only once to make some signs and I was disappointed with the floating, because sometimes it stops or loses toO much ink. The best way to reveal a fake MB pen is testing it. Plus I did the magnet test, as Dillo gently suggested, and it was positive. No dubt now, it's a fake.

I would start a new topic now: what to do with a fake MB FP?!

 

Sorry about that but you should know that the pens you show in the picture are also all ones often faked. As to what to do with a fake, there are really only a few choices; you can use it knowing it is a fake; try to sell it as a fake or destroy it.