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#1 Lamyrada

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 02:33

I am a bit confused. Are these the same size cartridges  or is it   they messed up with words?

 

- One says  "International Size"

 

 

AND athe other one  only says  "Standard". No International  anywhere...

 

 

One is G302BK, the other G306BK

 

I would very much appreciate information so I can stock on cartridges until I get a fine fountain pen that I can use with a converter.

 

 

Is there a place where the length of the different sizes  of cartridges  is specified?

I have seen lots of videos on how to use  cartridges and converters, but I cannot find a single video where I could see someone measuring  cartridges or explain the differences.  I am solely  interested on the "standard sizes", not proprietary cartidges.

Once I can understand the sizes I can place an order.

 

Thank you. I know  I will have some answers. Thanks in advance!

 

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 03:12

hello

TTBOMK International is the smaller (38 mm) and the Standard is the longer (73 mm) cartridge, but these terms are loosely used to mean either by most, qualifying long and short as the case may be if needed. 

More specifically International or Standard cartridge would fit most pens, and refers to the nipple size and shape more than the length.

Converters can be different even when the pens use the same cartridge because of the customized shape which my have screws or different tapering angles.

Please Read:

http://www.cultpens....dard-cartridges

http://www.refillfin...s-glossary.html


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#3 Bo Bo Olson

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 09:02

Cartridges are extremely expensive, no matter what size they are.

Bottled ink is much cheaper....more types, more shades and hues.....more shading inks.

 

Converters are too small....unless you get one with a small ball in it,  can have flow problems.

 

Buy a good piston pen, like a Pelikan 200 in F and you are good to go for the next 60-70-80 years. It has a vintage style 'true' springy regular flex nib. Costs only @$25 to buy a new wider or narrower nib. ( chase vintage pens because of their better nibs....I think the 200 is one of the very best modern nibs.....and don't believe the gold is better myth. It depends on the company.....I find for me the steel 200's nib is better than modern post '97 Pelikan gold nibs.

 

If you fill before going to bed, should get you through a day of school note making.

Two short International cartridges in a single pen, does hold more ink.....but $$$$ long run.


Due to Mauricio's improved definition of Super-flex, I no longer use the term Easy Full Flex.

 

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing with a touch of flair. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For bit more of that get a 'flexi'/maxi-semi-flex. Both spread tines 3X.  Those are not "Flex" nibs. 

 

Odd, how many who should know better, compares Japanese F (which equals EF), with Western F, with out a second thought, but do not compare Japanese B with Western B.

 

Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens only; not the users of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 13:16

hello
TTBOMK International is the smaller (38 mm) and the Standard is the longer (73 mm) cartridge, but these terms are loosely used to mean either by most, qualifying long and short as the case may be if needed. 
More specifically International or Standard cartridge would fit most pens, and refers to the nipple size and shape more than the length.
Converters can be different even when the pens use the same cartridge because of the customized shape which my have screws or different tapering angles.
Please Read:
http://www.cultpens....dard-cartridges
http://www.refillfin...s-glossary.html

hello
TTBOMK International is the smaller (38 mm) and the Standard is the longer (73 mm) cartridge, but these terms are loosely used to mean either by most, qualifying long and short as the case may be if needed. 
More specifically International or Standard cartridge would fit most pens, and refers to the nipple size and shape more than the length.
Converters can be different even when the pens use the same cartridge because of the customized shape which my have screws or different tapering angles.
Please Read:
http://www.cultpens....dard-cartridges
http://www.refillfin...s-glossary.html


Much obliged. This is what I mean. Sellers could make themselves a favor if they placed more SPECS on their descriptions. I am sure the YAFA i have will take the 38mm but not the 73mm. Thanks a lot!

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 13:44

BTW i am going to use the cartridges with my $$15-25 pens and my nondescript older pens until i gain some knowledge to buy a fancy pen and understand which brands and colors are good, popular and how they behave in the different nibs and pens. There is too much information to absorb. This is the place to make my research and learn which is happening at a high pace. I really appreciate the site and i hope i will encounter - as i have - courteous and civil discussions and help until i am able to also help the new members in the future. Let me say i love the videos of the flex nibs. Wonderful! So many options it is mind boggling! I can understand the fascination! Thank you again!

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 13:59

I like cartridges for ease of refilling on the move.

A lot of pens are large enough to hold a spare cart in the barrel so if you do run out you can just swap it.

I try to make sure that doesn't happen and I'll refill carts at home using a syringe, but if I do it goes straight back in the pen as the end isn't sealed.

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 17:32

Luckily, the three cartriges I ordered fit. Better said, just two of the cartridges fit on the two pens (see my Intro post) and all three fit just one of the pens ... Now it is just a matter of liking the colors aand looking for more shades of black.

I ordered Kaweko (velvet Black), Pelikan Black and Private Reserve cartridges (in the correct size!). This later kind is watery-faded so I will not buy it again. Pelikan flows smoothly and nice and is deep dark, which I like. Kaweko is less black than Pelikan and fine. The two pens write smoothly with both inks and they don't seem to be damaged.

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 21:37

Cartridges are extremely expensive, no matter what size they are.

Bottled ink is much cheaper....more types, more shades and hues.....more shading inks.

 

Converters are too small....unless you get one with a small ball in it,  can have flow problems.

 

Buy a good piston pen, like a Pelikan 200 in F and you are good to go for the next 60-70-80 years. It has a vintage style 'true' springy regular flex nib. Costs only @$25 to buy a new wider or narrower nib. ( chase vintage pens because of their better nibs....I think the 200 is one of the very best modern nibs.....and don't believe the gold is better myth. It depends on the company.....I find for me the steel 200's nib is better than modern post '97 Pelikan gold nibs.

 

If you fill before going to bed, should get you through a day of school note making.

Two short International cartridges in a single pen, does hold more ink.....but $$$$ long run.

LOL, Considering that I am 67, I don't care about a pen that will work for the next 70-80 years.It's a fact I don't have that many years… :wub:   That is why I buy inexpensive $10 - $135 pens(the expensiest I have)  and will not go above that. It's for writing.

 

One more question…  The Namiki Falcon I ordered is a fine nib pen and it doesn't flex as expected. Would it help if I  use a medium  size nib???????Can I change the nib?---  Where , how from whom?  Will it flex more with use? 

 

Please bear with me since I am a novice...

 

 

On another subject;;;; I started this about the size of cartridges and guess what I received today? The Monteverde two sizes or naming conventionally different "International Standard" and "Standard"..

 

See photo. They are the same size.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 04:48

One more question  The Namiki Falcon I ordered is a fine nib pen and it doesn't flex as expected. Would it help if I  use a medium  size nib???????Can I change the nib?---  Where , how from whom?  Will it flex more with use? 
 
Please bear with me since I am a novice...

Short answers are all "No". Falcon nibs are soft, bend easily but with no spread of the tines. Bo Bo Olson is the guy to listen to, to date I've found him dead on with his descriptions.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 04:52

You can reuse those cartridges by filling them back up with
Bottled ink using
a syringe so you get the best of both worlds





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