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Posted 27 March 2014 - 22:01

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Board,

 

If you check the right hand side of the window, you may well see something new appearing. Yes, promised a few months ago:

 

Advertising

 

indeed.

 

And what this all means to our visitors here, guests and members alike, is a bright future for our little fountain pen nut house on the digital prairie!

 

Enjoy!

 

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 22:06

More temptation!



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 22:09

<ROFL>

 

Yes, I guess. I got one of the catalogues to go with the Auction announcement. Mouth-watering. And that is an understatement :D.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 22:40

Whilst I appreciate advertising will help FPN keep running, it does mean the landing page now looks rather crowded, with the forum topics / summaries on the left hand side being a bit squished.

Would it be worth narrowing / moving the "recent post" column that's on the right, rather than squeezing the forum summary column?

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 22:54

The sidebar is actually fixed width, so there is nothing I can do about that, unfortunately. The only item flexible on the page is the forum index. Do note that the actual advert space is relatively narrow at 180 pixels. Even on mobile devices that is quite a small size.

 

I honestly think it is a matter of getting used to this new layout. Do check out the new version of the Library theme, however, as that makes viewing a lot nicer with a more even spread of columns.

 

Having said all this, it is possible to hide the standard sidebar: hover on the top right of it in the IP.Board (default) skin/theme, and a close button will appear. In the Library theme the button is instantly visible, it is the gold rounded small button with a double right arrow point, just above the sidebar on the right. When you hide the sidebar, you will actually have more space (90 pixels more) than you used to have for the forum index.

 

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 23:33

That is helpful, thanks!

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 00:03

Well, I'm not big on advertising, but I suppose things must move forward.

 

On the bright side, having the Library skin back is extremely nice.


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Posted 28 March 2014 - 00:11

The sidebar is actually fixed width, so there is nothing I can do about that, unfortunately. The only item flexible on the page is the forum index. Do note that the actual advert space is relatively narrow at 180 pixels. Even on mobile devices that is quite a small size.

 

I honestly think it is a matter of getting used to this new layout. Do check out the new version of the Library theme, however, as that makes viewing a lot nicer with a more even spread of columns.

 

Having said all this, it is possible to hide the standard sidebar: hover on the top right of it in the IP.Board (default) skin/theme, and a close button will appear. In the Library theme the button is instantly visible, it is the gold rounded small button with a double right arrow point, just above the sidebar on the right. When you hide the sidebar, you will actually have more space (90 pixels more) than you used to have for the forum index.

 

HTH, warm regards, Wim

 

 

This is good, except it doesn't stay that way, it reverts back every time I go into a forum and then back out to the main page again.  

 

edit:  eh, it will stay as long as I don't use the back button on the browser.  Gotta retrain myself.


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Posted 28 March 2014 - 00:41

How can I hide the new sidebar in my iPad? The screen looks awfully cramped!!!!

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:08

How can I hide the new sidebar in my iPad? The screen looks awfully cramped!!!!

Not the new one, the old one ;).

 

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:12

 

 

This is good, except it doesn't stay that way, it reverts back every time I go into a forum and then back out to the main page again.  

 

edit:  eh, it will stay as long as I don't use the back button on the browser.  Gotta retrain myself.

Once you have enabled it, and move on from there, it should remember the way you set it, unless you don't allow storage of cookies. This is typically one of the few things the site software uses cookies for: the settings for the board :).

 

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:16

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Board,

 

If you check the right hand side of the window, you may well see something new appearing. Yes, promised a few months ago:

 

Advertising

 

indeed.

 

And what this all means to our visitors here, guests and members alike, is a bright future for our little fountain pen nut house on the digital prairie!

 

Enjoy!

 

Warm regards, Wim

On behalf of the FPN Admin team

Wim,

 

I know I am not a member of the board, but you know I am a strong supporter of advertising on FPN,

 

This note is to tell you I don't get the ads on Safari

http://s271.photobuc...html?sort=3&o=2

 

but I do get them on Firefox

http://s271.photobuc...html?sort=3&o=1

 

I hope this is a temporary situation and I am just bringing it to your attention.

 

Dick Swart



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:22

I actually do get them in FF, IE7 to IE11, Chrome, Safari and Opera. These are the 5 browsers I use for testing.

 

Could you please try clearing your browser cache, temporary files, history and cookies in Safari? You may have to do this several times, because Safari is notoriously difficult in this respect.

 

Alternatively you may have to check/disable a few settings, incrementally change things.

 

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:22

This note is to tell you I don't get the ads on Safari

http://s271.photobuc...html?sort=3&o=2

 

Wim,

 

I am wrong as usual. I use ADBLOCK on Safari. But I have removed it for FPN. How is that for a believer!

 

Best,

 

Dick



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:29

Not the new one, the old one ;).
 
Warm regards, Wim

I'm sorry but I don't understand your answer.
As english is not my native language maybe I have not explained myself correctly. What I meant is that, with the three column format (including the new advertising column), the other two columns are very crowded together. Reading is not very comfortable on a smaller screen like the iPad's.
So what I meant to ask is: Is there anyway to hide this new advertising column in the iPad?

Edited by carlos.q, 28 March 2014 - 01:30.


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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:55

 

This note is to tell you I don't get the ads on Safari

http://s271.photobuc...html?sort=3&o=2

 

Wim,

 

I am wrong as usual. I use ADBLOCK on Safari. But I have removed it for FPN. How is that for a believer!

 

Best,

 

Dick

 

Very good indeed :).

 

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 02:01

I'm sorry but I don't understand your answer.
As english is not my native language maybe I have not explained myself correctly. What I meant is that, with the three column format (including the new advertising column), the other two columns are very crowded together. Reading is not very comfortable on a smaller screen like the iPad's.
So what I meant to ask is: Is there anyway to hide this new advertising column in the iPad?

Actually, it cannot be removed, that is what I tried to say.

 

You can, however, hide the normal or standard sidebar, the one that in effect now is the second column.

 

It is easiest to do in the new skin, as there is a clear, even if small, button to do this. With the default (blue and grey) skin, you need to hover over the top right of the standard sidebar, which provides a clickable button to hide it.

 

You could of course also simply turn the iPad 90 degrees to get a wider screen, something I did and do most of the time. It generally makes for nicer viewing of forums and forum topics.

 

The advert sidebar was deliberately kept quite narrow, it is only 180 pixels wide.

 

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 03:29

The forum index does look squished, especially the sub-forum name and description.

Is there a way to realign the no. of topics & replies and latest post info to give more space to the sub-forum name and description?

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 03:50

Would it make sense to have the ad the width of the page (horizontal) as opposed to the cramped middle section?

 

You've got lots of empty real estate on the right hand side with the current view.



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 07:05

How can I hide the new sidebar in my iPad? The screen looks awfully cramped!!!!

Please may I suggest using the pinch to magnify feature which while not wholly satisfactory page by page, does allow navigation of the home screen. Wim is correct in that using the screen landscape is a better way to use the screen real estate. You could install a browser that allows ad blocking but I think that would run counter to the good intent here re the valuable revenue stream ads provide.
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Posted 28 March 2014 - 08:30

For me the problem is mainly the fact that there is only one little advertising on the right,making so that on nearly the whole page we have all on the left and a blank on the right...So even if i don't like ads i can understand taht you put them but i think it'll look nicer when the right will be full covered.


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Posted 28 March 2014 - 10:02

Please may I suggest using the pinch to magnify feature which while not wholly satisfactory page by page, does allow navigation of the home screen. Wim is correct in that using the screen landscape is a better way to use the screen real estate. You could install a browser that allows ad blocking but I think that would run counter to the good intent here re the valuable revenue stream ads provide.
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Thank you for your suggestion. Wim suggested something similar (zoom) in another thread and it is working just great! As soon as the home page opens I can pinch (outward) the screen on my iPad so I can just see the first two original columns.

I have nothing against advertising but I draw the line when IMO it gets in the way of good web design or a pleasurable surfing experience.



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Posted 29 March 2014 - 01:54

I honestly think it is a matter of getting used to it. As mentioned, because of testing etc., I have been looking at adverts for a few months now, and especially in the Library skin it just seems to belong.

 

The advert space will be filled up. We'll just see how it develops. We are negotiating with a few more advertisers, and there are others to come as well.

 

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 20:24

Speaking of Advertising ...

 

    The Clash of the Flying Icons !!!

 

Beer-swilling Toucan meets Pen-wielding Pelican

in an air-borne Battle Royale.

 

http://s271.photobuc...t]=1&sort=1&o=0


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 21:18

<ROFL>

 

Oh, and someone uses Safari with an ad-blocker in a thumbnail on that same page ;).

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 21:55

There was a time that I would have complained about this....

 

However, since I have become the admin/owner of my forum, I now realize that this needs to be implememted- even at small forum like TFPC!

 

I have tried in the past to have pen drawings/raffles to help offset costs. This was fine, as long as someone was willing to donate a pen to the cause. This can only go on for so long. FPN is also not the only forum that has advertising- It may not be directly on their forum page though!

 

Wim and I have talked about this back-channel in the past. Since donations are becoming fewer and fewer, and forum hosts are NOT lowering their fees (other than dropping features- which I have done to keep costs down), this is becoming the only sensible alternative. It's either ads, or shutting down forums altogether!

 

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 22:17

Thank you, Frank, for your supportive words, much appreciated!

 

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 17:28

Now, please note that I do not in any way, shape, or form, oppose advertising. It is because of advertising that we have newspapers and magazines that are as cheap as they are. It is because of advertising that public transportation is as cheap as it is. It is because of advertising that we have, at least in the U.S., television and radio without having to pay a license fee, and without the broadcast media necessarily being a propaganda tool of whatever party happens to be in power.

 

And it is because it was driven by advertisers who wanted to pitch their products in living color, without rendering massive amounts of broadcasting and receiving hardware functionally obsolete, that the transition to color television, running as it did from the late 1950s to the early 1970s, went so smoothly and painlessly (as opposed to the HDTV transition which, driven as it was by equipment manufacturers who very much wanted to render massive amounts of broadcasting and receiving hardware obsolete, may have been quick, but it was neither smooth nor painless).

 

But two things:

1. I definitely agree that with both the sidebar and the ad column, the home page is hopelessly cluttered and difficult to read, because the forum column is so narrow.

2. In any advertiser-supported media (including public broadcasting when any form of "made possible by" announcements are given), one must always keep in mind that to the extent that the media is advertiser-supported, the readers/viewers/listeners are NOT the customers; they are a PRODUCT that is being sold to the ADVERTISERS, who are the real customers.


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 18:18

From post directly above

 

2. In any advertiser-supported media (including public broadcasting when any form of "made possible by" announcements are given), one must always keep in mind that to the extent that the media is advertiser-supported, the readers/viewers/listeners are NOT the customers; they are a PRODUCT that is being sold to the ADVERTISERS, who are the real customers.

 

As a former manager at Time, Inc., ABC-TV, BBDO Advertising, Carmichael-Lynch Advertising, 3M, and Parker Pen, I have to say "Hear! Hear". 

 

Any proposal to sell  subscriptions to FPN without advertising while at the same time selling advertising to this valuable audience may be perceived as playing both ends against the middle!

 

​The value of FPN is its' content to readers and its' audience potential to advertisers. Readers should recognize this.



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Posted 02 April 2014 - 01:53

more blahblahblah to my comment above ...

 

If readers do not want to be bothered with advertising, than they have to subscribe to support the blog, not skip the ads! I understand from some previous notes that readers are somewhat slow to make donations to support the blog structure..

 

I don't have any idea what the budget needed forFPN  hosting and admin is, but at 83,000 members, this is a lot of traffic to support. While I am not sure what the statistic of 8600 'most on line' means: it could mean 'most at any one time' or it could mean 8000 'heavy users' defined by posts/month or whatever.

 

But think of this … if 800 (10% of the most on line group) subscribed at $30@, thats $24,000. If 5% of the total membership subscribed at $30@, that's (...wait a minute ... wait a minute...) $124,500!

 

Some number of participants x $ subscription equals the FPN Budget.

 

Otherwise, advertising, without complaints or opting out by paying not to receive the ads from the readership, is necessary.







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