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#1 MarkTrain

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 21:43

Since there have been a couple of posts lately about the old-style M600 and some confusion about it I thought I would summarize.  The old-style M600 was a M400-size pen having the fancier trim of the M800. I believe it was introduced in 1988 after the introduction of the M800 in 1987.  In 1988, it came with a single-toned 18K nib (marked E|N), which was also used on the M700 Toledo.  In 1989, it came with a two-toned 14K nib, which was also used on the M750. In 1990 and thereafter, it came with a two-toned 18K nib.  It came in two colors, all black and black/green stripe.  There was also a burgundy version which is listed as discontinued in the 1990 price list.  The black pen came with a matching K600 push button ball point.  There was no green stripe version as it would have been almost identical to the K400 version.  Later, Pelikan introduced a  twist action ball point/pencil set in both colors.

 

From 1990 catalog:

M600at.JPG

 

From ~1995 catalog:

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Comparison of new and old style:

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From left to right:

1. Old-style M400

2. Old-style M600

3. Old-style M800

4. New-style M400

5. New-style M600

6. New-style M800

 



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Posted 18 August 2013 - 03:26

Hi Mark

 

Thanks for your explanation on the M600 old style and sharing the M600 pen catalogues. It is good to know the historical insight of the M600 old style pens. 

 

Based on the 1990 and 1995 catalogues, I believe the M600 was still an old style but are they still having the same length of the M400 pens in particular the one in the 1995 catalogue?

 

Also, I gather than there was K600 click ballpoint pen and K600 twist ballpoint pen, both old style at that time?

 

Also you mentioned that there was a two-toned 14k gold nib on the M600 in 1989 and was also used on the M750, was the 14k two toned an old style nib?

 

Thanks again for sharing the information on M600 old style pen. Appreciate it. :)

 

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 04:06

Very nice summary.  I really enjoyed looking at the catalog entries.  Thanks!


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 02:31



Hi Mark

 

Thanks for your explanation on the M600 old style and sharing the M600 pen catalogues. It is good to know the historical insight of the M600 old style pens. 

 

Based on the 1990 and 1995 catalogues, I believe the M600 was still an old style but are they still having the same length of the M400 pens in particular the one in the 1995 catalogue?

 

Also, I gather than there was K600 click ballpoint pen and K600 twist ballpoint pen, both old style at that time?

 

Also you mentioned that there was a two-toned 14k gold nib on the M600 in 1989 and was also used on the M750, was the 14k two toned an old style nib?

 

Thanks again for sharing the information on M600 old style pen. Appreciate it. :)

 

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Hi Daeng,

 

   The old-style M600 was M400 sized and had the traditional logo nib up until the new style was introduced ~1997.  The progression of nibs:

nibs_600.JPG

 

Although the 1998 and 2012 new-style appear the same there are some subtle differences.  First, there is the two vs. one chick in the logo.  Second the 2012 nib is more pointy than the 1998 nib, which writes like a nail.   The 1998 nib which has a chiseled point, is better for printing, while the 2012 nib, which has a little flex (as compared to the 1998 nib) and a rounded point, is better for cursive.  Also, I should point out that the 1988 single-toned nibs were quite soft, although not truly flexible in the ordinary sense.

 

  Mark


Edited by MarkTrain, 20 August 2013 - 02:35.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 14:37

What's the difference between the 1989 and 1993 nibs? Any higher res pictures? Thanks a lot!!!



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 02:11



What's the difference between the 1989 and 1993 nibs? Any higher res pictures? Thanks a lot!!!

Hi,

 

  The only difference is that the 1989 is marked "14C-585", while the 1993 is marked "18C-750." (The 1993, but not the 1989, is  marked "E|N" on the right side.)

 

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 05:56

Thanks Mark for sharing the info. It is the first time I'm seeing a 14k dual-toned old style nib!
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Posted 24 August 2013 - 06:18

Hi Mark, thanks for the explanation, but my 2012 M600 nib (1 chick) is also (unfortunately) a nail.
I would not describe it with: has a little flex.

Even a M200 steel nib is much more flexible than the Souverän M600 gold nails.
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 04:38

Wonderful article Mark. It was v helpful.

In 2011 I had purchased what was sold as a NOS
M400. I had kept it stored away and rediscovered it today.

Its actually a M600 which I confirmed after reading your article. It has W Germany on the wider cap band. A two tone 18c two chicks nib with the PF mark. And the typical 18C M sticker on the barrel.

Was the PF export mark common on the M600 two tone 18c nibs? I ask since you dont mention it in the original article.

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 10:49

The '88 nib soft as in regular flex(which would be expected), or soft in as mushy?


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Posted 18 November 2017 - 17:21

Super helpful, thank you. As it turns out, my green M600 has the correct monotone 18K nib, making it 1988. My black M600 has a duo tone 18K with scrollwork, so it's probably not original. I may even have had the seller exchange it 🙄 not knowing that would destroy the historical accuracy! You live and learn. Both nibs have a sculpted EF/F point unlike current nibs. Both are not flexible.
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 17:31

This is very good information.  I knew about the size of the old-style M600 but this information about the nibs is new to me.  Thanks, Mark, for this useful information. :)


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