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This is an ink I bought because I wanted a strong, permament blue colour and this promised to be it. Unfortunately, the fine particulate matter in this ink clogs almost all of my fountain pens with the exception of a Parker Jotter Medium [1]. In addition, it appears to result (perhaps due to the wider nib) a quite large amount of feathering.

 

I have not given up on de Atrementis. Their black "Archive Ink" has excellent flow even on an EF Pelikan.

 

On the plus side, the de Atramentis Document Blue does not smear and is 100% waterproof! Bleedthrough is minimal for this relatively wide nib.

 

[1] Those were: a Lamy AL Star F, a Pelikan M215 EF, a Lamy Studio 2000 EF

 

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Oh no! I really hope this doesn't happen to me!

 

I bought Document Blue after I had problems with my Diamine Registrar's Ink- it has been coming out as grey instead of blue-black. I was looking for another waterproof, permanent writing ink, and living in the UK, we don't have the option of the wonderful Noodler's inks, so we have a limited choice of such inks!

 

I have been using the Document Blue in my Lamy Safari, syringed into an empty Lamy cartridge as I've run out of empty converters. Unfortunately, it started leaking through the nib, but I think this is due to the ink being very 'loose' in the cartridge instead of there being more suction(?) with the twist converter. I received my new Pilot Prera today, and loaded the Document Blue into this converter, and it started writing immediately, which was lovely.

 

After reading your post I cleaned my Lamy out immediately, because I didn't want it to sit in there for a while and clog. I flushed it with water and then a 9:1 water:vinegar solution, which I've read helps with stubborn inks (I'd prefer an ammonia solution, but I don't have access to it).

I really hope I've cleaned by pen out in time, as my Lamy has been sitting unused with the ink inside for a week or so. I will make sure I clean my Pilot Prera out regularly (between filling) now that it's filled with the Document Blue!

 

I hope you manage to get your pens unclogged!!

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Yeah, don't give up on De Atramentis--I have about 12 of their inks and really like them. I find them to be generally wet & free-flowing inks, which are really important ink characteristics for me. I haven't tried any of their blues. Blue ink and I are still working on our relationship. ;)

 

'Hope you find what you're looking for.

 

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Oh no! I really hope this doesn't happen to me!

 

I hope you manage to get your pens unclogged!!

 

I had to disassemble my Lamy 2000 to unclog it because even after repeated flushings with water, the particles were still there. I am not sure if these were actual particles, or crystals that formed there for some reason.

 

By the way, both my de Atramentis inks exhibit some nib creep, so I am not surprised about the 'leaking' ink here.

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ESSR would be a good Blue Black ink instead of the Diamine. Is English so mailing is cheap, comes in a 110 ml bottle. There was quite a long thread on ESSR. You can look it up.

It is my blue black for official documents.

 

ESSR was what one of the bosses of a famous now dead English ink company saved as part of his parting from the absorbed and killed company a couple of decades ago. Sorry I don't have the name of that one time famous ink in what's left of my mind.

 

ESSR can change very rapidly from a Blue to a 'black' or take a bit longer to change from a 'blue-black'- to a black after a few days or a week, depending on the paper used.

 

I have some six or so DA inks with no problems.

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Hm. I had no feathering, quite some bleed-through, and absolutely no clogging whatsoever with this ink, which is one of my standard inks. https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/245055-de-atramentis-document-ink-dark-blue/

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Thank you for the review. I do like how De Atramentis inks hold up to UV exposure. The colors are also quite pretty. Hope the next experience is "wetter" and "smoother".

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classical and polyvalent blue ink :thumbup: thanks for the review

Pens are like watches , once you start a collection, you can hardly go back. And pens like all fine luxury items do improve with time

 

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Hm - maybe I got a defective batch. Could it be crystals forming for some reason?

 

It could be the result of a reaction between the Document Blue and residue left behind by some other ink you previously used in the pen.

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Thanks for the review -- I had been curious about this one. Is it an iron gall ink?

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Thanks for the review -- I had been curious about this one. Is it an iron gall ink?

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No, not iron gall. And neutral pH.

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An update:

I had a lamy safari (EF) and a lamy-al (F) both loaded up with pelikan royal blue. I flushed both of them and, without rinsing, filled them up with dA document blue.

 

The EF pen immediately clogged.

 

The F pen was fine, and still keeps writing well. No apparent clogging or particulate matter. I do wonder what is going on. OTOH this particular pen is a very freely flowing writer. It works well witih this ink.

 

Overall, on cheaper paper the ink seems to be kinda greyish and dull and exhibits quite a bit of feathering. On somewhat higher quality glossier paper, it looks reeeaaaally nice.

 

So my advice is, try and find a pen that works with it, I think it's worth it.

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I have loaded two pens with de Atramentis Document Blue today, newly arrived. A Lamy Vista medium and the Georg Jensen 18K-fine.

I find some feather from a wide watery gushing flow and a horrible amount of bleed-through. And this on the usually completely safe Clairefontaine and Rhodia paper! I have five de Atramentis inks, and they seem largely useless. I rather thought the Document Ink would be of any use ...perhaps I should have known better before I ordered it.

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I have loaded two pens with de Atramentis Document Blue today, newly arrived. A Lamy Vista medium and the Georg Jensen 18K-fine.

 

I find some feather from a wide watery gushing flow and a horrible amount of bleed-through. And this on the usually completely safe Clairefontaine and Rhodia paper! I have five de Atramentis inks, and they seem largely useless. I rather thought the Document Ink would be of any use ...perhaps I should have known better before I ordered it.

Hi sorry to hear so but check my review on De Atramentis docment blue...

 

It is now in the ink review forum.

 

I useds 3 dollar paper and a true gusher of a pen.

 

No problems with feathering accept on very cheap paper...

 

I have noticed that clairefontaine and rhodia are excellent write on with Fountain Pens. So is the cheap school paper I used...

 

Some inks, quote a pity, do not perform well even on rhodia :-(

 

On my testing paper bleedthrough was very acceptable...

 

But it was horrible on the thin very cheap paper...

 

The name of the paper used is in the review.

 

I hope this will help you.

 

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Peter

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I'm sorry, Morbus, but I have given de Atramentis my all. Five inks in a string of different pens and on Clairefontaine 1756C 90g writing paper, Rhodia 19 and Rhodia yellow legal, Rhodia dotpad, Clairefontaine DCP 100g white and ivory.
Now, "Adularblau" is something! Smooth, and a strong and powerful color, and I can accept the faint feathering - sometimes it adds character to an ink - and there is very little bleed-trough. A tremendous ink! On the right paper, that is. And if you can handle the color, I suppose not everyone's cup of tea.

"Document Blue", "Violets", "Red Roses" are of no use to me on the paper in my possession. "Ultramarin" is so-so, not that bad but a bit pale, and therefore in little danger of serious bleed-through.

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I'm sorry, Morbus, but I have given de Atramentis my all. Five inks in a string of different pens and on Clairefontaine 1756C 90g writing paper, Rhodia 19 and Rhodia yellow legal, Rhodia dotpad, Clairefontaine DCP 100g white and ivory.

Now, "Adularblau" is something! Smooth, and a strong and powerful color, and I can accept the faint feathering - sometimes it adds character to an ink - and there is very little bleed-trough. A tremendous ink! On the right paper, that is. And if you can handle the color, I suppose not everyone's cup of tea.

"Document Blue", "Violets", "Red Roses" are of no use to me on the paper in my possession. "Ultramarin" is so-so, not that bad but a bit pale, and therefore in little danger of serious bleed-through.

Adular blue sounds nice.

 

What brand is that?

 

Sounds interesting :-)

 

Could you post a few sentences with that ink?

 

 

Thank. You

 

Regards Peter

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I've pulled out some more DeA inks just because Peter as inspired me. Alas, I don't yet own the Document inks.

 

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I've pulled out some more DeA inks just because Peter as inspired me. Alas, I don't yet own the Document inks.

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/2014-Inklings/slides/2014-Ink_332.jpg

Very cool Amberlea...

 

As soon as the Inks are available. .. I will give you notice. .

Iimmediatly :-)

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Tricked throughout the centuries...

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Woo Hoo

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

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