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#31 elysee

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 21:09

Thanks, Force.
 
I think my pens are from the early '90s.
 
Here's the label on the box:
 
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You MUST continue to save the box! X years from now, the box will add to the selling price -- there's your retirement based on http://www.ebay.co.u...ht_6025wt_1399. LOL! : ) Of course, I am assuming a continued similar increase in the price folks are willing to pay for the pen during the next X years.

Edited by elysee, 13 August 2013 - 21:29.


#32 elysee

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 21:22

I have posted this link because one picture is of the box label. I believe this shows there were changes in the numbering system between the first and second series.
 
This Black is listed as 19704.
 
Not to mention the asking price....I said not to mention it :yikes:


Based on the other auction ($195.78 based on the current exchange rate), the Buy It Now price ($159.99) for this listing is low. LOL! : ) Of course, the colors of these pens are different as well as one being solid color and the other being marbled.

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#33 Force

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 14:51

:yikes: £90....I was hoping to sneak this one into my collection for £25... :unsure:


Edited by Force, 17 August 2013 - 18:46.


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 04:26

You are indeed correct (new to this particular forum and not particularly big Waterman fan) and I defer to you/Force on the market value of Phileas. Those were my intuitive thoughts. The Phileas was desirable because it was a cheap yet relatively quality pen. My mind can't fathom people buying something that used to be cheap at high prices, but I suppose it's happened before.

You've prompted me to do a quick eBay search and I now see that some Phileases are going for... substantially more than what I would have considered the market price for a new one a few years ago (about $40). This leaves me scratching my head, but to each his own.

 
I too am new here and have learned much about my motley collection of new and used Phileas fountain pens. Seems they really did sell at Staples for $20 originally. I have bought new ones since then for $50 to $100. Today (August 2013), there is a single, used Waterman Phileas listed on Amazon.com for $250. Maybe that's crazy, and maybe it's an inflated "bubble".
 
I understand the argument that higher-priced and higher-quality pens outclass the modest Phileas. But my Philias pen possesses a certain "quintessence". (Webster: "the pure and concentrated essence of a substance.") As you know, quintessence shows up in mundane items like Keds high-top sneakers, the Oreo cookie, the brown paper bag, Crayola Crayons, strike-anywhere matches, Q-tips, etc. These classic products are notable for simply being what they are, without pretense.

When a truly quintessential product is discontiued, they can become highly prized as collectibles. (Is a '57 Chevy truly better than a '58 Chevy? Collectors think so.)
 
My Phileas delivers good performance, a fairly classic look, and workmanlike durability. Phileas reviews are almost always good, although the phrase "...considering its low price" seems to be obligatory. Perhaps the Phileas is currently a pony among thoroughbreds, but I suspect its appeal will be long-lived.
 
Regardless, may we all live long enough to see our personal collections soar in value. Meanwhile, we all have a very enjoyable pastime.
 
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Posted 25 August 2013 - 04:29

Thank you to all who have comments. I am learning with each new post. -- TD

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#36 RMN

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:19

TD, can we get the drawing to:   "quintessence". (Webster: "the pure and concentrated essence of a substance.") ?? :)

 

 

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#37 TwelveDrawings

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 12:02

TD, can we get the drawing to:   "quintessence". (Webster: "the pure and concentrated essence of a substance.") ?? :)

 

 

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I have reached my limit of uploads so I cannot share more. "Quintessence" would be a heckuva challenge to draw, though. -- TD


 


#38 Force

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 12:11

I have reached my limit of uploads so I cannot share more. "Quintessence" would be a heckuva challenge to draw, though. -- TD

use Upload at the top of the page. You will not though be able to control pictures loaded this way.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 12:51

Thanks for the tip. I am curious what control I will not have. --TD

 


#40 Force

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 18:18

The market is remaining strong in the more realistic price bracket.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 19:32

I am not afraid to state the obvious. Any fountain pen is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay. Thus, an exquisite pen with a $10K price tag on it is worth zero unless it finds a bona fide buyer. Its owner may cite equivalent pens which fetched this or that price. But in the absence of a buyer, the price remains $0.

 

So who are fountain pen buyers? Beginners, amateurs, semi-pros, and pros. All of them have different tastes and different motives for buying. Pros may look down on beginners at times, but when offered that $10K check, what pro would refuse to sell?

 

Obviously, the market will continually sort things out. Each of us probably has a favorite pen which the market undervalues, while "less deserving" pens fetch a higher price. Amateurs like me can merely shrug and say, "Such is life." Semi-pro and professional pen collectors must educate people like me, suffer our fickle tastes, and hope for the best with grudging grace. I salute the knowledgeable people who share their insights here. It improves the network all around.

 

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Edited by TwelveDrawings, 26 August 2013 - 07:33.

 


#42 Scrawler

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 21:42

In the 1990s these were my choice to buy as gifts for school children to encourage them to learn to write well. They are all grown up now, maybe it is time to ask for them all back LOL.



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 00:22

Well here we go again.

Could these be my pension,

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Our conversation went off into the realm of high finance. But I want to give you the satisfaction of knowing I am green with envy over your pristine collection of Phileii. -- T. D.


 


#44 Force

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:51

Thanks, the stable is short of an Amazon and Green and Blue. I did acquire an Amazon but returned it to the seller as misdescribed....it had been rolling around somewhere for most of its life. I am working on a Blue as we speak but other things get in the way.....bidders.


Edited by Force, 26 August 2013 - 04:54.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 18:30

but once in a while a poor picture of a pen at the wrong angle can be a joy to behold. To many this would appear to be a Kultur... :D



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 18:09

I am happy with this purchase. It is mint boxed and takes me closer to the set.

 

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 18:21

I am happy with this purchase. It is mint boxed and takes me closer to the set.

 

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Congratulations on acquiring the Amazon blue that you referenced earlier. She is a beauty. -- TwelveDrawings.


 


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 18:28

I am happy with this purchase. It is mint boxed and takes me closer to the set.

 

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Is that Mint? I would say it is blue?? :D

 

Nice catch.

 

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 19:12

Ahhh D.ick now there's a thought :rolleyes:



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 15:39

An Indus Grey ending soon...or maybe ended once viewed.

 

I was not happy with the £8 delivery for 2nd class signed...I consider that a rip off here in the UK.


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Posted 31 August 2013 - 16:14

Well here we go again.Could these be my pension,fpn_1365656069__dscn7306.jpg


Are those GRAY ones? Ooooooo.

#52 Force

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 16:25

Yes, 2 x fp, 1 x rb.



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 22:42

Yes, 2 x fp, 1 x rb.

 

See, there's a problem right there: no need for 2 x fp. Let me know if I can help you out.

 

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 16:35

A Danube Blue tonight...



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 19:58

A Danube Blue tonight...

Price is not too bad....

 

 

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#56 Force

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:36

Anyone wanting a NOS Mississippi then get on over to the Classifieds...$30 is a snip and will go quick.



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Posted 07 September 2013 - 13:38

I missed it! It's been sold. :(


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 13:42

Note to self: New Old Stock Phileas with no box sold (presumably) for $30.


 


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 16:56

Force, are you pulling our leg?

 

No mention at all of Phileas and/or Mississippi.

 

And if it is sold the old Ad should be there.

 

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#60 Force

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 17:09

Force, are you pulling our leg?

 

No mention at all of Phileas and/or Mississippi.

 

And if it is sold the old Ad should be there.

 

D.ick

No, I think you have the ability to remove your auction if it sells here or outwith. Yes, it was a Mint Missi for $34 delivered in the USA $39 worldwide....I can tell you I was tempted but I have too many on the go at the moment.