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#1 Santak

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:12

Hello, I have decided to buy Waterman Elegance and have found that the same Waterman Elegance is being sold for very different prices. What is the reason? Both sellers are selling genuine product.

1. http://www.ebay.co.u...=item53f410b757

2. http://www.ebay.com/...=item23202fed41

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 14:44

Although current models according to Waterman.com, they are not the same finish. One is Gold Plated, the other silver so there are those costs to consider. Also to consider is how many the supplier has purchased from NRM and at what cost.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 17:55

There may also be some human greed in the equation.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 20:53

I would also assume there is a different perception of what their pen is worth. Some people don't do research or base prices on intangible things like emotional attachment, or things that matter to them but not necessarily others, like "beauty", etc.


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 23:16

Hello, I have decided to buy Waterman Elegance and have found that the same Waterman Elegance is being sold for very different prices. What is the reason? Both sellers are selling genuine product.

1. http://www.ebay.co.u...=item53f410b757

2. http://www.ebay.com/...=item23202fed41

lewertowski is the official Waterman dealer, always with a huge selection of recent pens and nibs. May be there are now some restrictions on the prices he can show and the amount of discounts? Another seller seems to be an outlet store, having just a few models, many of them are long time discontinued. Isn't this a reason?
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 13:22

There may also be some human greed in the equation.

I hadn't noticed who was doing the selling when I made this crack, and regret it deeply. This...

lewertowski is the official Waterman dealer, always with a huge selection of recent pens and nibs. May be there are now some restrictions on the prices he can show and the amount of discounts?


...is more likely closer to the truth; I know that there's a lot of imposition on sellers of things in Europe, and imposition may well be behind this price imbalance. I will happily accuse JML of being human, but never of being greedy.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 21:26


Hello, I have decided to buy Waterman Elegance and have found that the same Waterman Elegance is being sold for very different prices. What is the reason? Both sellers are selling genuine product.

1. http://www.ebay.co.u...=item53f410b757

2. http://www.ebay.com/...=item23202fed41

lewertowski is the official Waterman dealer, always with a huge selection of recent pens and nibs. May be there are now some restrictions on the prices he can show and the amount of discounts? Another seller seems to be an outlet store, having just a few models, many of them are long time discontinued. Isn't this a reason?




You are absolutely right.hard restrictions:

Newell (Waterman, Parker Rotring) has now decided that Amazon will be their first re seller Worlwide. They now sell them directly on US, France, UK and Germany.

On USA they have asked their authorised dealer to apply the suggested retail price and has you can see on Amazon.com now a lot of Waterman, Parker and Rotring pens are sold without any discount, you can find for the same offer all the sellers at the same price!!!

They want to close all the seller accounts who will not respect these conditions.
They donít want now any European re seller on the US Markeplace and want to keep the US market for their US re sellers.

They have asked me to stop all my sells out of Europe after February 28Th and have told me that they will stop all business with me If I continue my sells after this date.

I think that a lot of brand will progressively do the same, in France Pelikan has refused me to sell their pens because they want to sell directly on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.fr...=A2SZ33L6SZ27FN

Same response by Lamy.
I suppose that they will progressively do the same with the European countries because they canít see the suggested retail price respected on US and not in the UK for example or all the US buyers will stop to buy on the US market and will buy in Europe.

Thatís unfortunately the hard reality and the reason why I canít apply the same discount than some years ago.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:38



Hello, I have decided to buy Waterman Elegance and have found that the same Waterman Elegance is being sold for very different prices. What is the reason? Both sellers are selling genuine product.

1. http://www.ebay.co.u...=item53f410b757

2. http://www.ebay.com/...=item23202fed41

lewertowski is the official Waterman dealer, always with a huge selection of recent pens and nibs. May be there are now some restrictions on the prices he can show and the amount of discounts? Another seller seems to be an outlet store, having just a few models, many of them are long time discontinued. Isn't this a reason?




You are absolutely right.hard restrictions:

Newell (Waterman, Parker Rotring) has now decided that Amazon will be their first re seller Worlwide. They now sell them directly on US, France, UK and Germany.

On USA they have asked their authorised dealer to apply the suggested retail price and has you can see on Amazon.com now a lot of Waterman, Parker and Rotring pens are sold without any discount, you can find for the same offer all the sellers at the same price!!!

They want to close all the seller accounts who will not respect these conditions.
They donít want now any European re seller on the US Markeplace and want to keep the US market for their US re sellers.

They have asked me to stop all my sells out of Europe after February 28Th and have told me that they will stop all business with me If I continue my sells after this date.

I think that a lot of brand will progressively do the same, in France Pelikan has refused me to sell their pens because they want to sell directly on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.fr...=A2SZ33L6SZ27FN

Same response by Lamy.
I suppose that they will progressively do the same with the European countries because they canít see the suggested retail price respected on US and not in the UK for example or all the US buyers will stop to buy on the US market and will buy in Europe.

Thatís unfortunately the hard reality and the reason why I canít apply the same discount than some years ago.

J.M.L.


By the way, thank you for Parker Duofold Centennial. It came on 6th of February. This is a wonderful writer, I enjoy it much. I don't know, have the buyer written an excellent feedback on you or not? I have said him to leave the highest feedback.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:52



Hello, I have decided to buy Waterman Elegance and have found that the same Waterman Elegance is being sold for very different prices. What is the reason? Both sellers are selling genuine product.

1. http://www.ebay.co.u...=item53f410b757

2. http://www.ebay.com/...=item23202fed41

lewertowski is the official Waterman dealer, always with a huge selection of recent pens and nibs. May be there are now some restrictions on the prices he can show and the amount of discounts? Another seller seems to be an outlet store, having just a few models, many of them are long time discontinued. Isn't this a reason?




You are absolutely right.hard restrictions:

Newell (Waterman, Parker Rotring) has now decided that Amazon will be their first re seller Worlwide. They now sell them directly on US, France, UK and Germany.

On USA they have asked their authorised dealer to apply the suggested retail price and has you can see on Amazon.com now a lot of Waterman, Parker and Rotring pens are sold without any discount, you can find for the same offer all the sellers at the same price!!!

They want to close all the seller accounts who will not respect these conditions.
They don't want now any European re seller on the US Markeplace and want to keep the US market for their US re sellers.

They have asked me to stop all my sells out of Europe after February 28Th and have told me that they will stop all business with me If I continue my sells after this date.

I think that a lot of brand will progressively do the same, in France Pelikan has refused me to sell their pens because they want to sell directly on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.fr...=A2SZ33L6SZ27FN

Same response by Lamy.
I suppose that they will progressively do the same with the European countries because they can't see the suggested retail price respected on US and not in the UK for example or all the US buyers will stop to buy on the US market and will buy in Europe.

That's unfortunately the hard reality and the reason why I can't apply the same discount than some years ago.

J.M.L.


That's really unfortunate lewertowski. Seems like a lot of FP manufacturers are going along the route of apple a la steve jobs of inflating demand by restricting supply and controlling the pricing. That can't bode well for the future and the sustainability of FPs as an everyday writing instrument. The market cannot be replenished by eager new users if it steadily moves further and further out of reach (which is basically, Australia, Lamy safari's $50 wut?!).

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:06

Try buying an Edson in Australia, a mere A$2,500.00... no way in Hades!! I just bought one from UK at A$600 including P&P. I vacillated about the expense before buying, but by the sound of what JML says I wasn't a moment too soon.
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Edited to note that it's just gone up to A$2,700.00 RRP !!
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Edited by Eccles, 14 February 2013 - 12:12.