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#31 Harlequin

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 03:55

I'm glad you mentioned the jewels- other than cosmetics, do they have a function that would definitely be impaired if they were cracked or chipped in any way? And can you elaborate on why the clip would be a danger area?


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Posted 24 December 2012 - 12:05

I am thinking the jewels require a tool to remove and reinstall them and the pen cap tops are hard to find and can cracks the barrels in repair exercises. I expect a loose clip no longer keeps the pen in a suit breast pocket and again is a cracking risk if you have to repair it but Bruce may have other explanations also.
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#33 OcalaFlGuy

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 14:39

Keep in mind that while other more expensive pens were designed with future repairs at least somewhat in mind, it is unlikely that was the case with the inexpensive Estie. If you broke one, for what they cost, the company just expected you'd buy another one. Probably two of The Most critical points to the Estie design was how Fast could a company worker put one together, and how consistently the same they could, pen to pen.

Jewels. Purely decorative so far as I know.[1] No known sources for quantities of them other than from other pens. The correct way to replace involves removing the inner cap and knocking the jewel out from the inside. Basically a PIA to do.

Spinning clips. Not a real function issue as if the clip is close to the cap (see pinned thread here) it would still hold the pen in the pocket even though the clip turns. However, the turning clip could also scratch the cap with the end of the clip. Tightening a clip is the closest to brain surgery for an Estie. It requires some Estie specific tools and is a definite for sure PIA.

As mentioned before, in addition to cracks in the barrel end or cap edge, the above two are pretty much deal breakers for me in buying an Estie and I can at least replace the jewels myself if I have to.

[1] With the exception of the Transitionals with the screw in jewels. Those jewels also hold the clip secure and in place unlike the pens with the push in jewels that are mainly decorative.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 15:04

Cracks in cap lips and in barrels occur in some Esties and are hard to impossible to fix satisfactorily, requiring a donor pen to replace a part. Cracks just become worse over time. I try never to have any pen with a crack in cap, barrel or section. Section cracks leak.

The jewels and clips, if cracked or damaged, are just about unobtainable unless you take one from another pen, and then the repair effort is high. To say the repair effort is high is probably sarcastic understatement. Rather than taking one from another pen, you might as well replace the cap or barrel, but then on a J, SJ or LJ the resulting combination of cap and barrel might not look like it goes together esthetically, because of the patterning of the J series plastics.

There are so many Esterbrooks coming up for sale that sellers will tell you up front that they are resacced, jewels and caps are intact, clips in a satisfactory state, without cracks, and so on, that I think there is no reason to bid on or buy an Esterbrook with any defect and that is not stated to be resacced. I have bought two beautiful J series pens in the last week so cheaply as to not be able to pass them up, that were resacced and beautiful, polished, with nice imprints, for something like fifteen dollars each, no cracks, beautiful jewels. I would say to you, ask the questions that will inform you about the condition issues, even if they are made public, because I don't think you should buy any Estie with a condition issue. Unless you enjoy resaccing. The other repairs are an avoidable nuisance.

Cracks in pastels' cap lips are common. I wouldn't buy any of them with a crack. Don't buy anything if you find a condition issue. You might say excuse an issue for a rarity, but I wouldn't do it, because it is something to apologize for forever, especially to yourself. Condition issues in a collectible item are like rocks in your shoe.


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Posted 24 December 2012 - 15:28

I'm glad you mentioned the jewels- other than cosmetics, do they have a function that would definitely be impaired if they were cracked or chipped in any way? And can you elaborate on why the clip would be a danger area?


Hi, the loose clips rotate!! Very annoying if you were daft enough to get one without asking!

                                                                            

 

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 22:17


I'm glad you mentioned the jewels- other than cosmetics, do they have a function that would definitely be impaired if they were cracked or chipped in any way? And can you elaborate on why the clip would be a danger area?


Hi, the loose clips rotate!! Very annoying if you were daft enough to get one without asking!


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 17:00

Indeed! I want a cobalt blue one soooo badly now.... :puddle:


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 23:14

Just want to point out to people reading this thread that just today, Rick Krantz has posted a massive sale of Esterbrook pens, including a lot of the "Dollar" pens. Look in the FPN classifieds.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:30

You can still get lucky in local antique shops, too. The red Esti SJ in the picture was $10.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 14:02

Just want to point out to people reading this thread that just today, Rick Krantz has posted a massive sale of Esterbrook pens, including a lot of the "Dollar" pens. Look in the FPN classifieds.


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