Naginata Togi Question
Posted 06 December 2012 - 02:51
– Lin Yu-T'ang
Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:53
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 13:28
Posted 06 December 2012 - 14:33
With that said, I found the MF to be a nice nib for me however depending on how you hold your pen, the angle to the paper will dictate the line width so the more vertical you hold the thinned the line gets and vice versa.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 17:17
That said, does anybody have information on what the "non-slip" coating of the matte black is - is that (ugghh) rubberized? How does it wear (I post my caps).
Or generally, should I just go with a regular 1911, save the money, and to hell with the bells and whistles?
– Lin Yu-T'ang
Posted 06 December 2012 - 17:39
Personally, I haven't been happy with the regular Sailor nibs I've tried (too scratchy out of the box) so I'd recommend the naginata togi.
Posted 06 December 2012 - 19:31
Posted 06 December 2012 - 21:42
If You don't mind I'd like to ask a question myself: I have a large Sailor 1911 with a Naginata MF nib that I traded here more than a year ago, for another Sailor with a normal H-F nib which was perfect but I didn't like it too much because of lacking "personality". (I prefer my Pelikan and Aurora EF nibs) I soon realized I couldn't handle well the naginata nib and gave up experimenting with it. A few weeks ago I bought here an Omas Paragon from the 80's with a fantastic semi-flexible F nib (perhaps the best nib I have ever used in my life) and began reflecting on selling the Sailor which I don't use. Meanwhile I found that topic from which Siv attached here the beautiful picture of Pixwriter's penmanship with the naginata and began to hesitate: why not keep the Sailor and give it one more chance. But I'm not quite convinced if the nib is OK: If I follow Pixwriter's advices and try to write with it turning the nib a bit left or right the tines, mostly the right tine, moves a bit vertically and the nib becomes scratchy. For my taste the whole nib is a bit scratchy though it's said that naginata nibs are exceptionally smooth. So what is Your experience, is it normal that naginata nibs behave like that or there must be some defect with it?
Posted 06 December 2012 - 23:32
So what is Your experience, is it normal that naginata nibs behave like that or there must be some defect with it?
Malpighi, Now that I think about it, no, it's not normal for a Togi nib to be scratchy. It's slightly elongated at the end and has a fairly large tip, which, when shifted, can give various width effects. But if you apply pressure, it may scratch, as the tines are separating and catching on the paper. It's not a flex nib.
The philosophy behind the Togi is entirely different from that of a flex nib. The flex nib works with elasticity, while the Togi nib works by changing the angle of the nib to the paper. Does that help?
It helps me. I don't like the brush effect (or wrist movement involved) when writing with the Togi nib. I like a straightforward writer.
A flex nib is nice, if you can find it. I have an OMAS from the 80s, and though the pen is crappy (World Cup series, but the rings are all corroded and out of alignment), the nib really is fantastic. It's nearly impossible to find that kind of nib on a new pen, although everybody always talks about it. That's why I go looking for old pens.
– Lin Yu-T'ang
Posted 07 December 2012 - 00:55
Posted 08 December 2012 - 15:02
Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:30
The first thing to deal with is that in the 'normal' hand position, it write a slight fat medium line. This is what it's going to do when you just pick it up and write with it. So be prepared for that. You need to like that idea in order to enjoy the pen as a daily writer.
I ordered mine for light pressure and medium flow - Sailor Naginata nibs are pretty free-flowing by nature, and I wanted to maintain at least a semblance of MF in normal use. It never fails to have adequate flow in all configurations set up like this.
I wouldn't say I've mastered the nuances of the pen, but there are certain configurations I like:
* For drawing, the normal position is really cool - I get a heavier line than I would normally use, and on top of that, if I slow down my stroke, it is even wider. I can get beautiful rounded dots at intersections this way. It's a unique drawing style, and this is one of the most beautiful expressive things about the nib for me.
* For writing, I don't try to move to different elevations, instead I pick one (low/fat, mid/medium, high/fine) and write with that. This is not for everyone; not everyone will be successful with different elevations. If you have used a brush, you will have something familiar to start with. (The pen imitates the angles and widths of a Japanese calligraphy brush.) I am experimenting with different rotations of the pen and my writing - vertical writing with an oblique pen angle, for example.
* This is a really really nice needlepoint when used upside down. It's wet enough to write that way all the time, in fact. I mostly use it for drawing, but it's also excellent for technical note-taking. For me this is a very important aspect of the pen.
I find the NT MF nib to be really smooth, but with enough 'feel' to satisfy my need for control in smaller writing and when drawing. Overall, it's a pen I really appreciate for it's intricate variations. I think that to be really happy with this pen, you have to both want to experiment to bring out these various aspects, and to have enough pen and brush experience to even know how to 'get to' those aspects.
Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:07