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#61 lemanfan

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 19:48

This thread probably means I'll buy one sooner or later. Thanks, I think. :)

#62 PensAndLeather

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 11:28

Very thorough and informative, learned a lot about the Lamy 2000 pens, thank you for doing all that work. I will have to Tweet your link to all of the Pens And Leather fans, awesome job!
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Posted 31 August 2012 - 17:14

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 13:41

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#65 PenandDesign

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 20:49

Fantastic article! A truly informative, scholarly, and captivating review - I quite enjoyed it :thumbup: Thanks for your hard work, and for sharing it with us. As of publishing time, I'm in the midst of writing a (smaller and less-detailed) article for Pen&Design about how the 2000's design DNA is relevant today in the sense that it can be compared to a certain commonplace object today whose function is vastly disparate. Perhaps the Lamy 2000 is more popular to scrutinize, analyze, and study today than it has ever been before; especially with the 2000M being released just a few weeks ago.
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#66 Namo

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 20:26

The curve on the back of the mixer is referenced in the body curve of the Lamy 2000 barrel. Additionally, the pen and mixer share similar internal proportions: the top third of the KM3 is in proportion to the nib and metal section of the Lamy 2000; the middle third of the mixer is in proportion to the pen’s barrel from section to body curve; and the bottom third of the mixer is in proportion to the remaining body of the pen. To again quote Rams’ Ten Principles of 'Good Design'", “The aesthetic quality of a product is integral to its usefulness because products are used every day and have an effect on people and their well-being…. Products fulfilling a purpose are like tools. They are neither decorative objects nor works of art. Their design should therefore be both neutral and restrained.” The aesthetic qualities of curve and internal proportion are illustrated below.

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Design consistencies in Müller’s work for the Braun KM3 and the Lamy 2000.

Another design cue Müller carried forward from Braun to Lamy is the similar portion of metal to plastic in the razor and the pen. The similarity is striking and the implication is clear: in each product, the “business” end is constructed of metal (shaving foil, nib and grip section) and the plastic body conceals the inner workings (electronics and power supply; ink chamber and filling mechanism). To directly quote Rams’ “good design” principles, this design choice concentrates on essential aspects that "emphasize the usefulness of [the] product while disregarding anything that could possibly detract from it.”-


I've been reading and re-reading this great essay concerning the Lamy 2K. Amazing work, congratulations and many thanks. What is said about good design is fascinating, and I have no doubt that the 2K is following this line of work. I doubt some other high(er) end production could say this, concerning the honesty part of the good design...

Do you know if these proportions found in the Brawn products and the 2K are based on some kind of ergonomical considerations? I ask this because I've always found the 2K to be extremely comfortable comparing to models about the same size and weight.

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#67 trent

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 20:49

An amazing and knowledgeable review, thank you.

The Lamy 2000 is a pen I wanted to love, but I experienced severe leaking on two of them around the nib area. It seems that with the change to an all-metal breather-hole, this problem might have been solved. So perhaps I might give Lamy one more try...

#68 PenandDesign

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 22:36

Ok! My article about the Lamy 2000 - which was written with a similar vein of interest - has been released on my blog: http://bit.ly/TUjCTb. I talked a bit to bphollins, and I think that it'd be mutually beneficial to post it up here. It's about the Lamy 2000's Bauahus influence, and how it compares to the iPhone and Braun Sixtant. Writing this article really helped me to see just how consummately written this review is. A veritable treasure chest of information and expert writing indeed! :clap1: :clap1: Well done OP!
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#69 bphollin

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 23:25

Nice! Added to my Instapaper reading list... which I'll probably look at on my iPhone in due time. :happyberet:

#70 PenandDesign

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:05

Nice! Added to my Instapaper reading list... which I'll probably look at on my iPhone in due time. :happyberet:


Thanks! Blogger only sporadically seems to work with my Instapaper though... :roflmho:
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#71 pienaar

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:54

bphollin: I am changing your user name to Dr. Lamy!
Do not let old pens lay around in a drawer, get them working and give them to a new fountain pen user.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 19:47

Thank you for such a comprehensive article, it was an absolute delight to read.
I have a number of Lamy 2000 Fountain Pens and Ballpoints, and am delighted with them all.

#73 bphollin

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 20:00

Thanks landrover! I'm flattered that your first post, after two years on FPN, is such a nice compliment of my article. I'm glad you liked it.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 20:02

pienaar, you're too kind! The *real* Dr. Lamy you should be praising is the man himself, Dr. Manfred Lamy, father of the Lamy 2000. :thumbup:

Edited by bphollin, 14 September 2012 - 20:03.


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 20:43

bphollin: late but sincere thanks for your terrific work.

A question for you: I have two tradtional 2000s and I just got a new 2000M. You point out the inset metal disc on the bottom of the normal 2000 piston knob. (Minor quibble: this looks to me more like aluminum than stainless steel.) But on the 2000M, this appears to be simply a foil sticker! I haven't had the guts to try to remove the sticker to see what (if anything) might be beneath it. Does this look like a sticker to you? Any idea what's underneath?

Edited by MCN, 17 September 2012 - 20:47.


#76 bphollin

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 23:08

I just examined all of my 2000s, including 2000M, under a 20x loupe. It does not appear to be a sticker, foil or otherwise.

#77 linux3214

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 18:12

I don't comment much, but you have made a must read encyclopedic reference to my favorite pen.
Thanks

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 00:37

Great article =)

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:35

Amazing article! I was thinking about buying a Lamy Studio but now I *really* want a Lamy 2000 :)

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 15:18

Outstanding Review! this will help me enjoy writing with my Lamy 2000 even more! Chris

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 16:42

Very Very nice post! I had really good time reading it, thank you!

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 14:40

Thanks for your thoughtful and thorough review of the Lamy 2000. I read your review, placed an order for a Lamy 2000 Fine, inked it up with Noodler's Blue-Black on Thursday and have been enjoying this beautiful fountain pen immensely.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 17:14

Excellent work. :notworthy1:
A incontournable reference.

Thanks for sharing.

#84 sztainbok

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 16:40

Hush, you! The value of FPN is our diversity of opinions and approaches. We don't have nearly enough on the 2000 family; of the Lamy 2000 threads on this site, very few are on non-FP models. I, for one, would love to read what you have to say on the BP, MP, and FP.


Just came across this wonderful and thorough review of Lamy 2000. I will have to re-read it in detail.
When the Lamy 2000 was released in the 1960's, what other products were included in the product lineup? Was a ball point and mechanical pencil included at the time?
Thank you for shearing this wealth of knowledge.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:58

Wow, what a splendid review.
Thank you very much for the insights.

Between this and the destruction test review, the L2K went straight to the top of my to-buy list.

#86 tomgartin

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:41

Well, would you look at what arrived in the mail today... I place full responsibility on this uber-review for drawing me to this pen. It really grew on me, and now that I've got it in hand, it's even better than I'd imagined. The sprung clip is definitely less stiff than I had imagined, and the makrolon feels *so nice*
Can't wait to post a review of my own soon (like we need another--haha)
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 00:53

By tradition they embody the Bauhaus principle of functional design: ‘form follows function’.

In my opinion, the Lamy 2000 is not a good example of this principle. It was designed with blind faith that a simplified, streamlined and "elegant" form would prove to be the most functional, rather than starting with functionality and letting the form fall where it may. The 2000's tragically inadequate ink window, skinny and insecure grip, and pocket clip seemingly designed to chew up pockets are all evidence of "elegant" design decisions that don't work as well as its less stylish competitors. (I notice how the Lamy Safari decisively corrects each of these problems, which is not to say that the Safari is flawless either.)

The Lamy 2000 is an object Steve Jobs would have loved, I'm sure. Several Apple products under his reign suffered from the same design philosophy, including, notably, the one-button mouse and the G4 Cube.

For a recent example of form actually following function, I'd point to the somewhat homely but highly usable TWSBI Vac 700. (And I think the looks are growing on me. Give it 40+ years and it might become a classic too!)

#88 tomgartin

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:21

Tony, I think your remarks about the aesthetics of the 2000 are certainly on target. Bauhaus influence on this pen is a matter of aesthetics that were designed to draw attention to the function of the pen, implementing near-austerity to emphasize the job of the pen as writing. The polished makrolon on the cap and steel button on the bottom produce a stark contrast of the limited materials used in its design, emphasizing the conscious limitation of ornament in its design through choice of materials. No rippled hard rubber, engraved gold, clips in the shape of bird bills or arrows, and no obvious clues to the filling mechanism. The fact that there is an ink window at all is a sign of how insistent the design team must have been in keeping some awareness of ink in the process of writin, but not acceding to an aesthetic that would allow the ink to become a value in itself. In this philosophy of the ink window's function, all you really need to know is whether or not the pen is empty. Since most of my other pens offer no type of ink window at all, I do not feel slighted by this design decision. However, you raise an important comparison as Bauhaus relates to Apple. There is an important contrast between functionality and function. Functionality, per se, is the maximum amount of function endowed to a single object. This is the domain of the TWSBI demonstrator pens. Function, however, is the singularity of purpose--i.e. writing. Thus, to say the 2000 follows the principle of "Form Follows Function" is accurate in regard to this narrow focus on purpose.
Your analogy is quite accurate. This pen shares a lot of design philosophy with the Apple single-button mouse.


My experience differs from yours in regard to the clip. It is much more gentle in its clutch of my clothing than the clips on the Pilot VP, Ranga #3, and Parker 45. While I also think the clip is a bit too small to grip thicker clothing, it is adequate for the average shirt, including my thick chambray shirts. The clip does not catch at all when I remove it, and I anticipate only negligible wear to my clothing--no more than any other pen.

As for the grip, I find it comfortable. The brushed texture keeps my fingers from slipping, and it is a bit more stout than a Parker 45 or Hero 616 (sorry, I don't have experience with the estimable Parker 51) so even my large fingers find it inviting.

In accordance with the YMMV rule, my mileage has definitely varied.


Whew! Didn't realize I wrote so much until I finished. I enjoy discussing artistic philosophy. The 2000 is definitely a controversial design, and I'll admit it took a while for me to warm up to it. Really, it was bphollin's exhaustive report that made me reconsider the pen, and revisit it several times. I think you've said somewhere, Tony, that you would not recommend this pen to a beginner. I quite agree. It's a pen that you really need to make some decisions about before you commit. That process really enriched the pen in my view, and after all the pens I've tried, I am very happy to have arrived at this one. Not promising I'll keep it forever, but it's the most interesting pen (to me) in my collection.

Happy writing,
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:59

My experience differs from yours in regard to the clip. It is much more gentle in its clutch of my clothing than the clips on the Pilot VP, Ranga #3, and Parker 45. While I also think the clip is a bit too small to grip thicker clothing, it is adequate for the average shirt...


Yeah, the spring tension is okay, but the clearance is the problem. I guess my bias comes from my habit of wearing a canvas vest whenever I'm out of the house. Its pocket does indeed qualify as "thicker clothing". However... A solid majority of fountain pens I've owned have no problem with it.


As for the grip, I find it comfortable. The brushed texture keeps my fingers from slipping, and it is a bit more stout than a Parker 45 or Hero 616 (sorry, I don't have experience with the estimable Parker 51) so even my large fingers find it inviting.


I have a couple of Parker 45s tucked away, but I rarely use them. A better point of comparison for me is my collection of Sheaffer Imperials. They also have a grip that tapers to a point without any finger stop, and they're actually slick, not textured. However, they have that extra bit of girth that makes them feel solid to me. My fingers don't actually slip on the 2000, but it just doesn't feel secure to me. I suspect this is a subjective thing based on what you're used to. Since I've been using so many fat fountain pens, a lot of other pens (especially ballpoints) that I used to think were OK now feel awkwardly skinny.

#90 tomgartin

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:17

Tony, I agree about the cheap ballpoints. I can't believe I ever used those tiny little chopsticks! Haha.
I need to try a Sheaffer Imperial. I'm torn between one of those and a Vac 700 for a birthday pen this year. If I can get a few more pens of that style (I could probably borrow my wife's P45) then I may have to compile a comprehensive comparison of tapered grip pens--Lamy 2000, Sheaffer Imperial, Parker 45, Hero 616 Jumbo, and a slouchy old Bic Stic. Ergonomics is a very complicated art form that deserves more attention on FPN. If I ever get around to it, I'll give you all the credit for the idea. You've really got me thinking about it now... Posted Image

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