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#31 Ken Fraser

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 22:21

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 01:35

Posts 10 and 11 (http://www.fountainp...ost__p__2402474):

Spencerian Script was devised by Platt R Spencer after whom it was named.
For extensive information on the style, go to www.iampeth .com

Post #10 was written with a Hunt 101 nib in an oblique holder with Iron Gall ink.
This example was written with Higgins Eternal ink. The image has been enlarged for clarity.
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What is normally the size of those letters? How small can Spencerian get before it loses its characteristics?
Would it be feasible to use Spencerian strokes with a #2 pencil on college-ruled paper and fit a reasonable amount of words on a line? I'm considering adopting Spencerian as my handwriting. I am aware there would be some loss of line variation.
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:40

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What is normally the size of those letters? How small can Spencerian get before it loses its characteristics?
Would it be feasible to use Spencerian strokes with a #2 pencil on college-ruled paper and fit a reasonable amount of words on a line? I'm considering adopting Spencerian as my handwriting. I am aware there would be some loss of line variation.
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Spencerian Script is often written very small. Historically, 1.5mm x height wasn't uncommon.

'Business Writing' derived from Spencerian Script, and as the monoline version, is a beautiful writing style in its own right. It's ideal for handwriting with a pencil. Here's a small example which I wrote with a normal, round- tipped fountain pen. If you want to see this script at its very best, look for 'Modern Business Penmanship' by E C Mills on the www.iampeth.com site.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 13:00

Post #11 - is that all with the Hunt 101?


The text in post #11 was written a while ago, and I have no record of the materials I used. The nib was probably a Gillott 303 or a Leonardt Principal EF and the ink would have been Higgins Eternal.

I probably used a Hunt 101 for the capital 'H' with its large swell.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 11:13

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 11:21

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This is a modern version of Gothic Batarde designed by Geoff Ford. Lessons on this hand are available here.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 11:36

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Gothic Batarde #14

Other than your Copperplate, this is the first example I've seen of your writing, and very attractive it is too!

I like the way you've used the natural shading to best advantage. I tend to go for solid colour or black and this makes a nice change.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 12:43

Thank you Ken. I had not used this hand in a while and wasn't sure if it was up to the standard.

I think a solid black ink is better suited for exemplars so it lets one focus on the letters rather than add 'style' that could distract. The first example was done with a fountain pen with Pelikan Brilliant Black ink, it looks solid black on paper but the scanner shows that its not as solid as one would like :-) The second example is done with India ink that wasn't cooperating so I added a bit of water - the resulting shading was interesting enough that I decided to use it for the sample.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 12:58

Handwritten Kaufmann #39

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Further discussion at: 'Depository Discussion' topic. Please quote 'Handwritten Kaufmann #16'.
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Posted 15 July 2012 - 12:59

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This is a handwritten version of the monoline font 'Kaufmann'.

I wrote the alphabet in monoline in post #16 but chose to write this example with an edged nib. I think that both work well and are suitable for a handwriting style.

Post #16 was written with a Pelikan fountain pen fitted with a round-tipped fine nib and this example, with a Manuscript fountain pen fitted with a medium, edged nib.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 15:54

Gothic Batarde #14

The "o - r" combination in the followup post (....but never more...) is interesting.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 21:41

Business Writing #42

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 21:42

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 21:42

The alphabet 'Business Writing'#18 was written with a Pelikan fountain pen fitted with a round-tipped nib, as was the example in post 19#.

The ink for both was Higgins Eternal and the paper was Conqueror smooth white.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 21:58

Handwritten Clerestory #45

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 22:03

Ken, thanks for this very useful reference I hope it can become a repository as well as a depository :doh:

I like your #2 Copperplate samples particularly.
I have one observation to discuss; the initial hairline and loop of your G seems heavier than I have seen.
Do you have an original exemplar of this form that you could show or provide as a reference?

A great idea.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 22:11

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 22:15

In both posts, 'Handwritten Clerestory'#21 and #22 the lettering was written with a Rotring Artpen fitted with an edged nib. The paper was Mondi IQ Selection
100gsm white and the ink was Higgins Eternal black.
This is a handwritten version of the Clerestory font.

The large letter 'B' was drawn.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 22:36

Do you have an original exemplar of this form that you could show or provide as a reference?


In Dick Jackson's 'Copperplate Calligraphy', he uses that form of G.

Thanks for your comments.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 07:27

Thanks everybody !!!It will be very helpful for me!I like Spencerian Engrosser’s Script and Italic very much! :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 07:38

Business Writing #18 ,It will be very helpful for me!!Please ask me that in practice writing calligraphy, how to control the spacing between the letters,Thanks....

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:55

Italic #4

Ken - I always thought of the "r" as a member of the "h, m, n, r" group. That is, the arch is a shared characteristic. I think that is the way Lloyd J. Reynolds treats it in his classic Italic Calligraphy and Handwriting Exercises and Text 1969 book.

I have seen many interpretations of the italic hand that use your "r", but I have always liked Reynolds' version best.

No criticism intended, just a general comment. Thank you for what is turning out to be a very enlightening thread.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:24

Business Writing #18 ,It will be very helpful for me!!Please ask me that in practice writing calligraphy, how to control the spacing between the letters,Thanks....

I'm not sure if there is any hard and fast rule about inter-letter spacing with this script. Once you get the hang of the general shape and angle of the linking ligatures, the spacing does tend to take care of itself.
Others may have a more useful guide, than this.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:30


Business Writing #18 ,It will be very helpful for me!!Please ask me that in practice writing calligraphy, how to control the spacing between the letters,Thanks....

I'm not sure if there is any hard and fast rule about inter-letter spacing with this script. Once you get the hang of the general shape and angle of the linking ligatures, the spacing does tend to take care of itself.
Others may have a more useful guide, than this.


Thanks caliken,According to your suggestion!I will try to practice angle of the linking ligatures.So I have another question about Uncial #6 .What is the difference between Uncial and Celtic,I find these two kinds of script look the same。 :unsure:

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:48

I have another question about Uncial #6 .What is the difference between Uncial and Celtic,I find these two kinds of script look the same。 :unsure:

To the best of my knowledge :blink: , in respect of lettering styles, the two are interchangeable......probably Uncial is the more correct title, historically.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 18:43


I have another question about Uncial #6 .What is the difference between Uncial and Celtic,I find these two kinds of script look the same。 :unsure:

To the best of my knowledge :blink: , in respect of lettering styles, the two are interchangeable......probably Uncial is the more correct title, historically.

I take "Celtic" to usually mean Insular Majuscule script (e.g. The Book of Kells), a development from Roman Half-Uncial, or a modern variation thereof. Uncial proper is a Roman script. However, it looks quite "Celtic" to most modern readers who associate Roman script solely with Square Capitals--the script used in carvings--and maybe Roman Rustic if they've ever seen it.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 20:28

I take "Celtic" to usually mean Insular Majuscule script (e.g. The Book of Kells), a development from Roman Half-Uncial, or a modern variation thereof. Uncial proper is a Roman script. However, it looks quite "Celtic" to most modern readers who associate Roman script solely with Square Capitals--the script used in carvings--and maybe Roman Rustic if they've ever seen it.


Sorry!.......history was never my strong point.

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I have another question about Uncial #6 .What is the difference between Uncial and Celtic,I find these two kinds of script look the same。 :unsure:

To the best of my knowledge :blink: , in respect of lettering styles, the two are interchangeable......probably Uncial is the more correct title, historically.



Thank you very much,I am reading books about calligraphy in the library recently.I am interested in Celtic.I know Uncial before.so I can not distinguish the difference between Uncial and Celtic.OK!but now I know. :roflmho:

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I have another question about Uncial #6 .What is the difference between Uncial and Celtic,I find these two kinds of script look the same。 :unsure:

To the best of my knowledge :blink: , in respect of lettering styles, the two are interchangeable......probably Uncial is the more correct title, historically.

I take "Celtic" to usually mean Insular Majuscule script (e.g. The Book of Kells), a development from Roman Half-Uncial, or a modern variation thereof. Uncial proper is a Roman script. However, it looks quite "Celtic" to most modern readers who associate Roman script solely with Square Capitals--the script used in carvings--and maybe Roman Rustic if they've ever seen it.



:thumbup: This information is great help for me!From the historical point of view I think I can distinguish their different.Thanks!

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:53

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