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#1 bunnspecial

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 23:07

I've had a personal moratorium on pen purchases this year, but have decided that I'm going to buy one as a gift to myself assuming I pass everything at the end of the semester :)

I'm debating against two equally classic, but totally different pens that are around the same price-a Lamy 2000 and a Pilot Vanishing Point.

In the 2000s favor is that I really like Lamy pens in general(I have a couple of Safaris and a Studio that's probably my favorite I own). I also prefer a true piston filler.

In the Vanishing Point's favor is that I tend to write a lot in note taking situations where I'm either constantly capping/uncapping or fighting nib dry-out. Also in its favor is the interchangeable nibs, although I don't think thats a huge consideration since that isn't a functionality I've used on other pens I own that allow that.

On the downside to the 2000, I'm not crazy about the semi-hooded nib, and with the VP I'm not sure about the clip placement. Although I haven't tried a 2000, I tend to hold my pens low enough that I expect the "ears" won't be a problem.

I tend to prefer heavier pens, and find my Studio and Sheaffer Prelude to be just right as far as weight.

I realize that, at least at current prices, the 2000 is a little more expensive, although price isn't a huge consideration for me. I want to keep it under $200, though, so the Lamy retractable(I forget the model) is out of the picture.

I'd appreciate any input to help me make my selection.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 23:34

I'd vote for the Vanishing Point. I love them and I have three of them. However, if you're taking a lot of notes, the ink capacity isn't too impressive, so you might have to have some backup cartridges on hand.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 00:12

The retractable Lamy is the Dialog 3.

Consider nib size.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:10

Don't have either pen, so I'll vote for TWSBI at $60. The combination of great nib and ink capacity make it a no-brainer to me. If you had grown up in the '60's, it is the Volkswagon of pens. Or the Big Mac (shirt) of pens. Or the Ruger of pens. For years, my Blue collar shirts cost $1.97 each. Cheap, but totally functional.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:18

TWSBI. Holds a lot of ink, has interchangeable nibs, writes great.

#6 bunnspecial

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:32

I'm not ruling out a TWSBI at some time in the future, but I'm NOT interested in one in the least bit for this particular purchase.

To be blunt, I don't want a demonstrator and I don't want a pen that can't be posted.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:35

If you want a fine (F) nib, get the VP. It's fine is very nice, and also, if you get M or B on the VP, the ink won't last as long. Also it's finer than the 2k. I don't have a Lamy, so I can't say for sure. I'll echo something that I think was said by watch_art said: get a pen you like looking at.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:38

If posting is essential then no VP for obvious reasons.I own two VP and want to sell themIt isn't that they are bad, they just don't fit my collection...I like a smaller pen.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:43

I'm pretty sure that he wants a pen that enables posting because he doesn't want to keep track of the cap. As the Vanishing Point (or Capless) has no cap, I doubt it'd be a problem.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:48

If you're in school and can keep it to a F nib (or less) I'd say Vanishing Point. I have both and love my 2000 a lot more, but there is one use I have for the VP that makes it pretty much irreplaceable. I have a judge who loves to lecture in the middle of his sentencing announcements, and the push button action is perfect for that note taking style situation.

If you do go VP, I would strongly recommend the carbonesque finishes.

#11 bunnspecial

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:55

I'm pretty sure that he wants a pen that enables posting because he doesn't want to keep track of the cap. As the Vanishing Point (or Capless) has no cap, I doubt it'd be a problem.


Right, I'm mostly concerned about not having to keep track of the cap. If that means doing so by posting it or by not having one, that's okay. The one thing that's out is having a pen that's not designed for one of the two options.

By the way, as far as nib width, I tend toward the finer side, but my tastes have changed as I've acquired more variety.

I find the 14k Studio "fine" nib(which is on the wide side) to be about perfect. From what I've read and understand, it sounds like I'd best be able to match this with a fine on a 2000 or a medium on a Pilot.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 01:58

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I'm not ruling out a TWSBI at some time in the future, but I'm NOT interested in one in the least bit for this particular purchase.

To be blunt, I don't want a demonstrator and I don't want a pen that can't be posted.

I understand. Maybe in the years to come.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 02:34

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:03

Both are great pens, but based on what you said, I think you would like the VP. You mentioned liking heavier pens, and liking the weight of the Prelude. Based on that I think you would like the feel of VP. If you cap your Prelude and hold it like you were going to write with it, you will have a pretty good approximation of what the VP feels like in terms of diameter and weight. The weight, size, and balance are similar. If you get the VP I would go with the fine. I don't have a 14k Studio fine nib, but the VP medium is pretty broad, wider than the fine nib on my Prelude.

Hope this helps. Good luck with the rest of the semester!
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#15 bunnspecial

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 03:46

I appreciate all of the different comments and opinions, and especially for the suggestions which I hadn't considered.

It sounds like the VP is the favorite so far. In all honesty, I was leaning more toward the 2000, but the VP has been bumped up based on the comments here. The next step is to see if I can find both locally and try them out.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:00

I find the regular Pilot Capless a bit on the chubby side, and much prefer the more slender Decimo. The Lamy 2000 is one of those pens you'll probably want anyway in the future, and it will dig at you until you eventually get it anyway. I adore the Decimo, though a small part of my brain doesn't want to admit it, and would prefer something with a more traditionally shaped nib. Still...it is the best writer I have right now and is the one I almost always reach for first.

As for the TWSBI...if I had tried a Decimo before I got my first TWSBI, I would not own more than one TWSBI despite the whole made-in-Taiwan pride thing. I suspect I'd feel the same way if I had gotten a Lamy 2000 first.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:04

no contest between the two in my collection, get the Lamy 2000

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:13

It is the clip that is has been holding me back form the vp... I tend to hold my pen slightly across the section instead of just down the section so it may get in my way... otherwise it is a very convenient pen... if only they produce a no clip version....

On this basis, I vote for the 2000, I've heard may good thing about it but remember that the nibs of Lamy are a bit thicker than normal and especially thicker than Pilots, if you like Western Fine, then it would be the Medium for the VP and possibly Extra Fine for the 2000!
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:00

Dear lord another pen vs pen discussion. GET THEM BOTH :P

But seriously, I have both of them and yes they are incredibly different pens. Whichever you get you will be very satisfied with. My VP is an amazing pen, practical for everyday note taking. The 2000 however is much classier looking IMO and the piston filler holds a ton of ink. They also come apart completely for easy cleaning! The VP takes cartridges which may possibly be preferable for when you're out and about, but you'll be changing them more often than you'll be inking a 2000.

The finish on the 2000 is better than the mostly regular metal finish on the VP I reckon. It scratches less easily, and has a nice matte look and feel. The hooded nib is a big advantage in fact, as it keeps the nib from drying out when uncapped.

That said, I often reach for my VP when I need to do a one handed "click and write". The little nib is a beauty and one of the smoothest in my collection. You'll also find it goes finer than the 2000 because it's a Japanese nib. Nibs are readily available online unlike the 2000, and it's a rather light, fun pen.

My verdict? Get the cheaper pen and then buy the other later. The 2000 is one of the better modern piston fillers and for me the fact that I can completely take it apart makes it a wonderful pen for me (slight bias because I am a devoted vintage lamy fan. The classic lamys have a design that is just like the 2000.) ergo if I was to choose one I would probably take the 2000. Seriously either way you are getting a beautiful pen that will last you a very long time (my VP and 2000 are both vintage, over 30 years old. They both write flawlessly!!)

A word of caution however, the VP does come across as a clicky ballpoint to the unwashed masses, so keep an eye out for anyone reaching across the desk to borrow it! My mum thankfully clicked it and realised it was a fountain pen (she went "oh cool!!" and treated it like a fountain pen) but it does show how people can mistake it for a "regular" pen :)

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:48

I personally would go for Pilot Vanishing Point. It is really nice pen, but than again I don't like Lamy so I don't know how objective my opinion is.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:59

The Lamy 2000. Personally I think the standard VP looks clunky and ugly. The Decimo looks far better but doesn't come in black. :crybaby:

Try and get your hands on both of them (2000 and VP) to see which you prefer.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:43

The Lamy 2000. Personally I think the standard VP looks clunky and ugly. The Decimo looks far better but doesn't come in black. :crybaby:


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Posted 27 March 2012 - 13:32

I would vote for the 2000. I love both pens, and you can't go wrong either way. I do personally use the Lamy 2000 more. The Vanishing Points are more fun pens, for me, with a great look and fun colors. For me, the 2000 is better suited for long writing. I don't know if it's slightly lighter, or if the weight is just more balanced, but it feels better in my hand for long writing sessions. It also has a very large ink capacity.

One of my 2000s has a fine nib, and it's the smoothest fine nib I've personally used in a modern pen. I can't get it to run out of ink, either. :) I don't even like fine points anymore, but I like that one. I can't compare the VP's fine nib, because I only have broad and medium nibs for my VPs. I do think the medium nib VP is particularly nice.

I agree that eventually you should get both. :)

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 14:07

I have both pens (as well as the Sheaffer Prelude) and I can break this down very simply for you:

You will want the VP for frequent note-taking. Capping/re-capping gets very tiresome and leaving the pen uncapped will cause startup issues because of dry nibs. You might have reservations about the clip but I can tell you from first-hand experience the capping issue will only get worse with time. Cartridges are also much more convenient when you need to fill in the field and Pilot cartridges are relatively inexpensive (12 for $4). I would recommend the 2000 for those who write less frequently and/or for longer continuous periods.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 14:41

I'm not ruling out a TWSBI at some time in the future, but I'm NOT interested in one in the least bit for this particular purchase.

To be blunt, I don't want a demonstrator and I don't want a pen that can't be posted.


Not trying to irk you, but I post my TWSBI with no issues. Just have to be careful. And if you get a Smoke demonstrator, it's less demonstrator and more smoke.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 15:01

I've got both, strangely enough. The Lamy is lighter by far (a plus in my books) and has at least double the reserve the VP offers. The VP is super-convenient. There's little to choose in terms of writing, although I think the Lamy has a little more spring to it. The Lamy isn't VERY susceptible to dry-out, and the cap is such a tactile pleasure to re-attach frequent cycles of that sort might actually be a good thing. The VP's trap-door needs cleaning now and again, a process which is somewhat shrouded in mystery ("Is it clean now? How about now?"). The clicking noises made by the VP's mechanism are more pronounced than the Lamy's cap-grabber. Both call for more than usual care in finger placement, but with a little flexibility neither is obnoxious.

The criteria I think you would be well to focus on are the balancing of capacity vs. dry-out time and which one appeals to your tastes more.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 15:55

I have a VP fine point and it is always with me. Great pen, sips ink and love the fact that it is retractable. I also have the Lamy 2000 fine point, but do not like it as much as the VP. The nib on MY Lamy is not as good as the VP, smaller sweet spot, somewhat frustrating and so I would go for the VP.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 16:53

I have three VPs and two 2000s. Carry one of each with me every day. Both are great writers. If you are writing copious amounts during the average day, might want to lean toward the 2000, the VP doesn't have the largest ink capacity. The 2000 is a bit stiff though, as opposed to the writing experience with the VP equipped with one of Richard Binder's soft writing, cursive italics; which is, sublime. Or, flip a coin.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 17:03

My vote's for the VP. I don't own a 2000, but I love my VP. I thought the clip placement would bother me because I hold my pens very low and strange, but I'm fine with it. You would also be able to easily change nib units if you wished.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 17:00

Alright-to follow up on this one.

I tried them both out locally, and ended up with the 2000 because I just liked how it felt in my hand better.

The store was running a pretty good sale on pens and inks, and I ended up with it for $128(I also picked up a bottle of Edelstein Sapphire for $13.60). So far, I'm really, really happy with how it writes and overall happy with the pen. I can see why it's considered such a classic.

I should also add that I chose the medium, which is(I think) just about right. From a quick comparison, it seems to be a shade wider than a Safari medium and about the same as a 14K Studio Fine.