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#31 Shabubu

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Posted 07 December 2006 - 23:16

I fell in love with japanese pens after getting a Myu, and with the articles Russ Stutler wrote about Nakaya I got very interested. I have a long writer model on order, the wife is getting it me for my graduation with a Maki-e painted name wink.gif Have to wait until late january for it to arrive though, and she'll lock it up in a safe until june sad.gif
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Posted 07 December 2006 - 23:16

Laura, what a catastrophe! I think fleeing was the only sensible recourse.
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Posted 07 December 2006 - 23:25

Great review, lovely photos, Laura--thank you!

You wrote: "I find the stout shape with gently-conical ends very pleasing to my eyes" and that is exactly my reaction to this Nakaya model!

I was around for the original frenzy over Nakaya, back in 2002 or 2003, and was sorely tempted, but none of the model shapes really appealed to me. This one does and the price puts it in my range, so...someday!

Thanks again, Dan

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Posted 08 December 2006 - 05:18

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Hope you guys don't mind, but I have some questions... Does the Piccolo Writer model come with or without a clip? It's color looks reddish-black? Have you ever seen the other colors in action? How would a Pel M200 F-nib, which suits me fine, compare to the nibs available on these pens?


The Writer (rounded ends) comes with a clip by default and can be made the Piccolo length by custom order.

The Cigar (conical ends) is clipless by default, but the Piccolo size is available Nakaya-direct with a clip as an option.

Not really sure what you mean about colours, but the Cigar is available in three finishes: Black, Blackish-Red or Reddish-Red urushi. The Writer comes in more colours.

Pels run wide and tend to be wet, so a Nakaya M would be your starting point.
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Posted 08 December 2006 - 05:20

Btw, I'm really glad people are enjoying the review so much! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Posted 08 December 2006 - 08:58

QUOTE(Phthalo @ Dec 7 2006, 09:33 PM)
Oh no! I think my husband is onto me.

I had my Nakaya wrapped in its little pouch and was yammering on to him about how cute the pouch was, when he began to really look at the pen and started to understand the quality, then he said "Exactly how much did that pen cost?"

He's never asked me the price of any of my pens before, so I had a bit of a panic, mumbled something at him and quickly fled the room! wink.gif

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This is the only reason I didn't buy one straight after reading your review. Being so newly married I have been told that any money that I have must now be spent on diamonds (even though she has had about 45 off me already) and travel. Can you imagine how hard it is to sleep when your wife is sat reading Conde Naste traveller in bed saying 'oooh, and I'd like to go there too' and (spotting advert) 'ooh, look at the new ring Tiffanys have got'.

I must work out a way to drop a huge hint about this pen. Maybe I need to print out your review and leaving it lying on the dining table or something. Though it could backfire - 'Ooh, that's pretty' my beloved says....again. wink.gif

Oh, and Helius, thanks for pointing our the accessory page - I'd missed that bit. That goldfish convertor is fantastic!! I like the simplicity of the pen pillow too. In fact, they have some beautiful accessories there.

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 03:22

I'm sorry to be the dissenting voice, but I can't work up enthusiasm for Japanese pens. I lost a number of relatives in the war after we were attacked, and I can't forget the Rape of Nanking or what was done to your countrymen, and mine. The veneer of civilization is sometimes as thin as the laquer on your pen. However, it certainly is attractive.

#38 Escribiente

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 03:40

We are talking about pens here. Because if we were to talk about civilization, I do know what country, or culture, would be free of charge. From the Greeks, on to the Romans, the French, the British, the Germans, the Italians, all the way to the Americans, we have seen inhuman acts committed almost at every stage of the so-called "civilization."

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 03:45

QUOTE(johnr55 @ Dec 8 2006, 11:22 PM)
I'm sorry to be the dissenting voice, but I can't work up enthusiasm for Japanese pens. I lost a number of relatives in the war after we were attacked, and I can't forget the Rape of Nanking or what was done to your countrymen, and mine. The veneer of civilization is sometimes as thin as the laquer on your pen. However, it certainly is attractive.

Why stop there? Why not include all of the Axis powers?

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 06:13

QUOTE(johnr55 @ Dec 8 2006, 07:22 PM)
I'm sorry to be the dissenting voice, but I can't work up enthusiasm for Japanese pens. I lost a number of relatives in the war after we were attacked, and I can't forget the Rape of Nanking or what was done to your countrymen, and mine. The veneer of civilization is sometimes as thin as the laquer on your pen. However, it certainly is attractive.

I doubt the people who make the pens were involved in war crimes. It is very sad when the offsprings must suffer the consequences of the actions of their fathers. Besides, most Japanese were not involved in the atrocities you describe. A very few were, I know; and I am very sorry, but the masses have nothing to do with it-- we were actually kept in the dark about it, like the German citizens during WWII.

I hope you can see past my being Japanese and be friends with me.

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 06:41

How did we get from a wonderful review of Laura's beautiful fountain pen to politics??
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Hana, you don't have to apologize for *anything* in this thread.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I personally would not air my views about what the Nazis did to my Yugoslavian countrymen and women and relatives during WWII in a review that someone wrote about a pen that made them so happy sad.gif

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 10:09

QUOTE(Phthalo @ Dec 8 2006, 06:18 AM)
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Hope you guys don't mind, but I have some questions... Does the Piccolo Writer model come with or without a clip? It's color looks reddish-black? Have you ever seen the other colors in action? How would a Pel M200 F-nib, which suits me fine, compare to the nibs available on these pens?


The Writer (rounded ends) comes with a clip by default and can be made the Piccolo length by custom order.

The Cigar (conical ends) is clipless by default, but the Piccolo size is available Nakaya-direct with a clip as an option.

Not really sure what you mean about colours, but the Cigar is available in three finishes: Black, Blackish-Red or Reddish-Red urushi. The Writer comes in more colours.

Pels run wide and tend to be wet, so a Nakaya M would be your starting point.

Do I understand the following correctly? There are two models of the Nakaya Piccolo, the Cigar and the Writer. Both come without a clip?

That's important to me, because if I decide to buy one, I'd like one without a clip and I'll need a pen that's a bit longer than the Piccolo Cigar (which is the pen that's been reviewed, right?). ^_^

O, by the way, politics don't belong here. Personally I wouldn't touch a political topic with a ten foot pole, but if anyone feels the need to and you are free to do so, please do so in the "Chatter" subforum instead of in one of the best FP reviews I've ever seen on FPN.
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Posted 09 December 2006 - 11:00

The Nakaya website terminology can be slightly misleading... the words Piccolo and Writer are used as models as well as size designations.

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Do I understand the following correctly? There are two models of the Nakaya Piccolo, the Cigar and the Writer. Both come without a clip?

Nope, there are not two different Piccolo clipless pens. You’re nearly right – there are two models: the Cigar Piccolo which is clipless; and the Piccolo Writer which is the term for a slightly longer Cigar Piccolo with a clip. It doesn't mean two different-sized clipless pens.

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That's important to me, because if I decide to buy one, I'd like one without a clip and I'll need a pen that's a bit longer than the Piccolo Cigar (which is the pen that's been reviewed, right?)

To get a longer Cigar, you ignore the word Piccolo all together, and simply order a Nakaya Cigar in the Portable size. smile.gif The Cigar Portable is 21mm longer than the Cigar Piccolo.

Check out this image. The bottom pen (Piccolo) is the same as the one I have, the top pen is the next size up - the Portable. It is quite a bit longer as you can see. Just envisage the top pen as the same shape as the bottom pen, and that would be your clipless Cigar Portable.

I'm sleep deprived, but I'm sure this makes sense. Apologies if it doesn't!
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Posted 09 December 2006 - 14:52

This is my take on the Nakaya terminology:

This is for the Urushi series only.

Writer = has clip
Cigar = no clip

Then there are 4 sizes (actually 5, I'll explain that)

Normal = full size, really big
Portable = slightly shorter
Decapod = has faceted sides
Piccolo = much smaller

However, with the Piccolo, the Writer model and Cigar model are slightly different sizes, with the Writer model being slightly larger.

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 15:29

Thanks for a great reiview and your impressions on various nibs - this is a beautiful pen and you did make a bold decision of going clip less - again this is not an every day writing pen - enjoy and thanks for sharing the experience.

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 19:25

Very beautiful pen and an excellent review.
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Posted 09 December 2006 - 22:44

In this picture, linked from Nakaya's web page, you can see the difference in sizes.



1. Piccolo writer
2. Piccolo cigar
3. Writer portable
4. Writer long

What I would like to see, is a writing sample of the Extra Fine nib, say, compared with Pelikan or Aurora.

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 22:50

QUOTE(Escribiente @ Dec 9 2006, 11:44 PM)
In this picture, linked from Nakaya's web page, you can see the difference in sizes.



1. Piccolo writer
2. Piccolo cigar
3. Writer portable
4. Writer long

What I would like to see, is a writing sample of the Extra Fine nib, say, compared with Pelikan or Aurora.

Now... I'd like number 1 without the clip... :ph34r:
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Posted 09 December 2006 - 23:31

That would definitely be a custom order - just ask. smile.gif
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 01:07

QUOTE(Escribiente @ Dec 10 2006, 08:44 AM)
In this picture, linked from Nakaya's web page, you can see the difference in sizes.

1. Piccolo writer
2. Piccolo cigar
3. Writer portable
4. Writer long

I'm thinking 3 and 4 were actually Cigar Portable and Cigar Long (since they don't have clips).

The text on the website said "Writer or Cigar" in the descriptions for number 3 and 4 (which I assume means they are physically identical, just with or without clip).

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 02:33

Hrm, could be I guess. The only way to know for sure would be check with Nakaya. smile.gif
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 03:23

QUOTE(NeoTiger @ Dec 10 2006, 01:07 AM)
QUOTE(Escribiente @ Dec 10 2006, 08:44 AM)
In this picture, linked from Nakaya's web page, you can see the difference in sizes.

1. Piccolo writer
2. Piccolo cigar
3. Writer portable
4. Writer long

I'm thinking 3 and 4 were actually Cigar Portable and Cigar Long (since they don't have clips).

The text on the website said "Writer or Cigar" in the descriptions for number 3 and 4 (which I assume means they are physically identical, just with or without clip).

That's right. There's a long and a short version. Writer has clip, cigar is without.

Edited by Shabubu, 12 December 2006 - 11:46.

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 09:11

QUOTE(NeoTiger @ Dec 10 2006, 01:07 AM)
The text on the website said "Writer or Cigar" in the descriptions for number 3 and 4 (which I assume means they are physically identical, just with or without clip).

Yes, the cigar doesn't have the clip, and the writer does. I was also wondering wheter they would make the bigger Piccolo without a clp.

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Posted 10 December 2006 - 10:42

QUOTE(Phthalo @ Dec 10 2006, 12:31 AM)
That would definitely be a custom order - just ask. smile.gif

I'll think I'll do just that... I suppose contacting Nakaya directly is the best way for that? wink.gif
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 14:47

QUOTE(Phthalo @ Dec 6 2006, 12:35 PM)
Earlier Nakaya pens have a single-tone yellow gold 14K nib with minimal adornment, while the current collection seems to have a two-tone, prettily engraved 14K nib as the standard.

I learned when ordering my Cigar Portable that the 14k nib (single tone) is the standard nib not an old nib. The two-tone nib is an $80 upgrade not a newer nib.

Nice review.

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 08:20

Scott: Curious... I paid no extra for my two-tone nib. It may not be an upgrade any more. smile.gif
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 14:43

QUOTE(Phthalo @ Dec 11 2006, 08:20 AM)
Scott: Curious... I paid no extra for my two-tone nib. It may not be an upgrade any more. smile.gif

As you stated you bought your pen from pengallery who probably ordered it that way from Nakaya as a two-tone and bought a bunch of them to sell at a big discount.

If you were to buy your pen directly from Nakaya right now, on the order form you will see that the two-tone nib is an $80 upgrade and the single tone is still available as standard not an older nib as you also stated in your review.

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 14:51

As you can see, the sell in pengallery for Nakaya is over. all the price went back t normal. I think someone got lucky. biggrin.gif

Damn me, i should have ordered one myself. wallbash.gif wallbash.gif wallbash.gif

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 00:56

Many thanks Laura for the wonderful review- it is testaments such as yours that speak for all of us who are shameless addicts.

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 10:37

Thanks - I'm just happy it's useful! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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