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#1 Parcival

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 22:22

I had not seen any other time such a pen. I just read about it. This is the largest Osmia Faber Castell - 14.1 cm, was produced in Germany in the 1950's. When I saw on eBay, I decided I should buy it. I paid 148 euros or about $ 200. The pen arrived a week ago and is already in my collection. :happyberet:

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 12:07

Hi Parcival, very nice pen, maybe you found the grail but I thought it was a little bit overpaied (?)
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 13:18

It is possible that I should have paid more than worth the pen. I have not seen any other time such a pen and do not know exactly what is its value. I have many pens Osmia - over 20. This is the biggest model of all time and I had to have it. Whether I will pay more euros 20-30-50 does not matter. This is a top model of Osmia Faber Castell in the 50's. Its price was 35 DM. For comparison - the price of Pelikan 500 /tortoise with rolled gold cap/ was 38 DM, Montblanc's: 142 - 38.50 DM, 256 - 32.50 DM, 254 - 28.50 DM... I think this pen is very, very rare.

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#4 Bo Bo Olson

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Posted 24 November 2011 - 18:48

Very nice. :sick: Envy....

Except the price. :yikes:

Congratulations :thumbup:


Thanks for the prices.
I got to Germany in '64 in the days of 4 to 1.
I copied the info.
In the '60's I don't remember the cost of a Snorkel but think $12 comes to mind.

A small beer was a dime (40 pfennings), a pint was twenty cents (80 pfennings)...and one had to scrabble hard to get $0.50 to go drinking with the boys on a Friday night. If you maintained you could drink at 15, sixteen was legal.

At 16 for a big date, I picked the girl up with a taxi. We drove a few miles to a good Gasthaus and had JagerSchnitzel and French fries for DM 6.80 apiece and a couple of beers. We took the cab home and I had money left over from the $5.00 bill. In the Day of the Almighty Dollar.

A lot of $8-9 pens...but wages were low in both countries. @ 1960 minimum wage climbed to $1.00, so a $10 pen was still very expensive. Gas was 17-20 cents a gallon. New Three bedroom house for $22,000.

"""This is a top model of Osmia Faber Castell in the 50's.
Its price was 35 DM. For comparison - the price of Pelikan 500 /tortoise with rolled gold cap/ was 38 DM, Montblanc's: 142 - 38.50 DM, 256 - 32.50 DM, 254 - 28.50 DM... I think this pen is very, very rare."""




I re-hdrated but will still eventually have to re-cork two of my Osmia-Faber-Castell's this week.
I inked them today for the first time. Before I'd only dipped them.I've had them a while but was going to 're-cork' but ran out of pens, having too many new inks. I lucked out. I tried for days instead of just one day, flipping the pens from nib up to nib down so the water could 'flow' around the cork from both sides.

One the 883 F, has I think a #2 nib; it is small. Gold Supra nib....'flexi' F. :cloud9:

The second a 63 with a regular Osmia steel #3 BBL, was so 'unused' the name Osmia and the 3 in the little diamond of the nib, still has some gold in the nib markings. Sort of a nice bit of class for a steel nib. It is not 'left over' gold plate. It is a semi-flex (+) BBL. :cloud9: A writing nib, not a signature nib. :thumbup:

There is now a war in my top five nibs; with those two Osmia nibs coming out of 'retirement' in the bottom five like that.

Edited by Bo Bo Olson, 24 November 2011 - 18:51.

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For that get a 'flexi' or a "flex" nib.

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Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens only; not the users of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.


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Posted 26 November 2011 - 18:04

I like Osmia pens.I bought many Osmia's at different prices - from 15 - 20 euros to 60 euros. I bought jade green lady Parker Duofold Osmia with Parker - Osmia 1 nib for $ 150 and Orange Osmia Extra like Big Red Duofold for about 160 euros.
I really do not know what the price of this pen. I have not seen another. It is possible I paid a high price. I was looking for this model, I wanted to have it and bought it. :happyberet:
Now I'm looking for Osmia 446, 48 and 78. What is reasonable price for these models? 80 - 100 euros? If someone offers such a pen, please let me know. I am interested in models Minor, Normal and Extra that look like Parker Duofold, and Parker Duofold produced in the factory Osmia. :rolleyes:

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 20:27

I like Osmia too, two more of my pens re-hydrated.
A 62 with a ML, regular semi-flex number 3 Osmia nib. A nice wet writing nib, with R&K Alt Gold-yellow.

The forth and last Osmia was a BCHR mdl 76.
It is a medium large pen as big as a Pelikan 605.
The nib is a large perhaps size 6 Supra EF. If held high, it writes a F, if held low it writes EF.
Even though the nib will spread 4 X a light down stroke, it is more like a semi-flex, than the expected maxi-semi-flex/'flexi' of a Supra nib.

One of my Osmia's with the regular 3 in a diamond Osmia nib though is maxi-semi-flex/'flexi' instead of the expected semi-flex....so it balances out.

I am ever so happy that four of my 8 Osmia-Boehler pens are working...and all it took was soaking for 3-4 days instead of one.

Two more are going bathing...who knows how many times lighting can strike the same place.

Edited by Bo Bo Olson, 26 November 2011 - 20:28.

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For that get a 'flexi' or a "flex" nib.

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Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens only; not the users of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.


#7 Parcival

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 12:59

This time I think I made ​​a better deal. 3 Osmia Supra - 44, 46 and 48, from 40's - maybe wartime or early postwar, with Osmia Supra gold plated nibs, in mint /NOS/ condition, each at a price € 33.83 + € 10 for shipping - total € 111.49 = about $ 145. :rolleyes:

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 16:29

If the information in your picture is correct,perhaps you
paid more because your pen was considered Supra size.
Earlier models in the Supra size were always valued a little
higher than the regular size.


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#9 georges zaslavsky

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 12:55

congrats on an outstanding osmia :thumbup:
Pens are like watches , once you start a collection, you can hardly go back. And pens like all fine luxury items do improve with time
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Posted 07 January 2012 - 17:24

Nice pens!
Recently i bought this Osmia Supra Progres with big 14k Osmia Supra nib. Gorgeous patterned celluloid.
Very cool pen!
Waiting to be cleaned... otherwise great condition.
I am happy to have this rare pen:)

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 18:46

Wow. Nice pen. I still do not have one. Rarely sold at high prices. Which number is your pen and nib?
I recently bought a similar pencil.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 22:29

Hello,
Just the idea that someone is writing about Osmia and showing their pens is great. I have quite a good amount of them, not a 448 unfortunately. I have an Adler and a Symetra both also manufactured by Osmia during the period they worked together with Parker. Late today in my town there is not good light anymore. Tomorrow I will post some images. I am sure you will enjoy some of those pens.
Thanks for your thoughts and sharing informtation on Osmia, a great pen !!!!
The pencil is just great :thumbup:

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 22:54

Wow. Nice pen. I still do not have one. Rarely sold at high prices. Which number is your pen and nib?
I recently bought a similar pencil.



Hi,
Nice pencil!!

Osmia Progress Supra 196F
585 Osmia Supra flexible nib (photo will post tomorrow)
I think it is worth to be cleaned and operational again. It is really gorgeous and high quality pen. Nice and chunky:)
I will try to rehydrate it, it usually helped with most cork piston fillers i have.

Edited by Khufu, 07 January 2012 - 22:57.


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Posted 07 January 2012 - 23:32

Azuniga, I'll be glad to see your pens Osmia. I'm waiting for photos. :thumbup:
Khufu, this is the largest diamond decorations pen model. I am looking for such a pen. Soon, one such was sold on eBay, but I was planning on other purchases. Next week I bought from that seller pencil.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 23:42

Azuniga, I'll be glad to see your pens Osmia. I'm waiting for photos. :thumbup:
Khufu, this is the largest diamond decorations pen model. I am looking for such a pen. Soon, one such was sold on eBay, but I was planning on other purchases. Next week I bought from that seller pencil.



Thank you for model specification.
I was thinking to have done a good deal - 20euro i paid for it and the seller was very happy:) As was i.


Osmia Progress uses some membrane filling system. It seems not to be classic piston. Do you know how it operates?

Edited by Khufu, 08 January 2012 - 00:02.


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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:22

Bravo. € 20 is at least 10 times lower than the actual price of the pen. At least in my opinion.
I have 2 Osmia Progress - black 192 and 194, but keep them as I bought. I'm not trying to repair my pens because I usually break them.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:05

Bravo. € 20 is at least 10 times lower than the actual price of the pen. At least in my opinion.
I have 2 Osmia Progress - black 192 and 194, but keep them as I bought. I'm not trying to repair my pens because I usually break them.


Those are expensive pens.
Well i always try to understand how it operates and fix it if necessary. I love to restore my pens. I have learnt all here in forum!! Great people here.
btw I have also ruined some of my pens, but that´s the price.
I am sure i will find some info about Progress system here on forum.

Nice Sunday!

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:55


Bravo. € 20 is at least 10 times lower than the actual price of the pen. At least in my opinion.
I have 2 Osmia Progress - black 192 and 194, but keep them as I bought. I'm not trying to repair my pens because I usually break them.


Those are expensive pens.
Well i always try to understand how it operates and fix it if necessary. I love to restore my pens. I have learnt all here in forum!! Great people here.
btw I have also ruined some of my pens, but that´s the price.
I am sure i will find some info about Progress system here on forum.

Nice Sunday!


http://www.fountainp...ic/36846-osmia/ :happyberet:

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 13:58



Bravo. € 20 is at least 10 times lower than the actual price of the pen. At least in my opinion.
I have 2 Osmia Progress - black 192 and 194, but keep them as I bought. I'm not trying to repair my pens because I usually break them.


Those are expensive pens.
Well i always try to understand how it operates and fix it if necessary. I love to restore my pens. I have learnt all here in forum!! Great people here.
btw I have also ruined some of my pens, but that´s the price.
I am sure i will find some info about Progress system here on forum.

Nice Sunday!


http://www.fountainp...ic/36846-osmia/ :happyberet:


Thanks for link!
It looks to be very interesting filling system. I have never seen something like this. It won´t be the next pen i will restore :D

Edited by Khufu, 08 January 2012 - 14:01.


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Posted 08 January 2012 - 15:27

These are the pens I mentioned yesterday, any information about them is welcomed...





Above: Osmia 54 (M) LF Black

From left to right:

64 G PF Black

Osmia progress Supra 294 (F) PF Green stiated

Osmia 44 (F) PBF marbled red

Osmia Supra Lux Extra PBF Black and Pearl

Osmia 226 BL PBF Lapis blue

Osmia Extra Black (A very curious filling system with a little ball you pull and push, it functions similarly to a PBF, your knowledge in this matters would be appreciated)

Osmia 12 PBF Black and Bronze

Osmia Supra normal 36 PBF Coral Red

Osmia Brillant 56 EFK - PF Black

Osmia 64 M PBF Black and silver lines (similar to the one we saw here before)

Osmia 64 BL PF Black

Below:

Osmia 64 M Safety, produced for Böhler (the barrel says "Original Böhler")

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 16:16

Osmia Supra Lux Extra PBF Black and Pearl

Osmia 226 BL PBF Lapis blue

Osmia Extra Black (A very curious filling system with a little ball you pull and push, it functions similarly to a PBF, your knowledge in this matters would be appreciated)

Osmia 12 PBF Black and Bronze

Osmia Supra normal 36 PBF Coral Red

Osmia 64 M Safety, produced for Böhler (the barrel says "Original Böhler")

:puddle: :puddle: :puddle:

I have Osmia progress Supra 294; Osmia 226 pearl and black, but there is no clip and I'm looking for this; Osmia 882, 883 and 884 - green striated, and Osmia Supra Extra PBF - Coral red. I have many other black, but do not remember the numbers. I have two Osmia 76, but need repair.

Your Osmia Extra Black is interesting. I've never seen one.

"I have an Adler and a Symetra both also manufactured by Osmia during the period they worked together with Parker." - What are these? I have not heard of them. Can you picture?

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 16:39


Osmia Supra Lux Extra PBF Black and Pearl

Osmia 226 BL PBF Lapis blue

Osmia Extra Black (A very curious filling system with a little ball you pull and push, it functions similarly to a PBF, your knowledge in this matters would be appreciated)

Osmia 12 PBF Black and Bronze

Osmia Supra normal 36 PBF Coral Red

Osmia 64 M Safety, produced for Böhler (the barrel says "Original Böhler")

:puddle: :puddle: :puddle:


I have Osmia progress Supra 294; Osmia 226 pearl and black, but there is no clip and I'm looking for this; Osmia 882, 883 and 884 - green striated, and Osmia Supra Extra PBF - Coral red. I have many other black, but do not remember the numbers. I have two Osmia 76, but need repair.

Your Osmia Extra Black is interesting. I've never seen one.

"I have an Adler and a Symetra both also manufactured by Osmia during the period they worked together with Parker." - What are these? I have not heard of them. Can you picture?



Parcival
I have several 883 & 884 (since I started collecting many years ago with Faber Castell and they are quite similar) but I thought they were not as attractive here as those i posted or the one you started the topic with.

Left PBF 11.8 cm Clip says: Adler

On barrel: Max Adler & Co. Berlin, which could be a company for which Osmia produced pens with their name. Nib: Osmia 3 14k 585.

Right

PBF 13 cm Clip says: Symetra

On barrel Symetra. Nib: Osmia 3 14k 585. I was told a sub brand from Osmia.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 17:09

Beautiful blue pens. I will look around for them. :happyberet:

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 21:22

Hello Azuninga
Very nice collection. Most exciting is the Böhler- Osmia. It is from the very old times possibly 1921 and carries the "Cross" cap top, which transformed during the years to a Diamond- shape cap top, The name of the firm was Böhler & Cie, the trademark was OSMIA since they used Osmium for their nib tips. The founders were Georg and Hermann Böhler et al. In the middle of the 30th Hermann Böhler founded his own factory. The "Extra" is also a nice Patent from 1931.
Does the "Adler" carry a diamond cap top? It really looks like an Osmia and it could be that Böhler produced the fp for Adler. Adler did not produce, it was only a fountainpen shop in Berlin.
Kind Regards
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 00:19

Hello Azuninga
Very nice collection. Most exciting is the Böhler- Osmia. It is from the very old times possibly 1921 and carries the "Cross" cap top, which transformed during the years to a Diamond- shape cap top, The name of the firm was Böhler & Cie, the trademark was OSMIA since they used Osmium for their nib tips. The founders were Georg and Hermann Böhler et al. In the middle of the 30th Hermann Böhler founded his own factory. The "Extra" is also a nice Patent from 1931.
Does the "Adler" carry a diamond cap top? It really looks like an Osmia and it could be that Böhler produced the fp for Adler. Adler did not produce, it was only a fountainpen shop in Berlin.
Kind Regards
Thomas


Thomas
Yes the Böhler has a "Cross" cap top, i have two other smaller ones.
I always thought Adler was a shop or a company who did not manufacture pens but had them named after them, and this particular Adler does not have a diamond cap top (I would love it) Thanks for the information.
In fact besides the quality of those pens, which are really good to write with and strong (I always try the pens I buy for several weeks and most of the time it is hard to leave them for others), I really love their symbols, The MB star, the Osmia diamond, The Astoria two triangles that looks like a fan turning, the Merkurit three dots and so on...
Thanks again, regards..

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:27

Azuniga, where in Mexico you find them these pens?!?!
I can't find anything interesting. :gaah:

Has anyone seen Osmia 78 or other large Osmia pen, ending on 8?

Edited by Parcival, 09 January 2012 - 12:12.


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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:24

Hi Azuninga, I found the link to Adler:
http://i844.photobuc...asnr/Adler3.jpg
The Symetra IMHO is not an Osmia/ Böhler product.
And here: the Osmia Extra mechanics:
http://i844.photobuc...nr/RIMG2110.jpg
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Edited by Kaweco, 09 January 2012 - 12:32.


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Posted 09 January 2012 - 15:19

Parcival,

I should say I did not find them in Mexico. Mainly in Germany or through German friends... Try Hamburg or Nuremberg Pen shows, you will find them...

Thomas,

The Osmia mechanics will be very, very useful, many thanks for it...

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 19:16

Parker - Osmia /Parker Duofold/, Jr size. Unfortunately there is little crack of the cap lip. I do not know whether to replace it with another cap - by USA Parker Duofold, or to give such a repair. :unsure:

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 20:01

Osmia 448 :notworthy1:
I have Osmia 446. Nice pen :wub:

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