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#1 jread

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 01:17

President Obama's recent letter to the people of Norway:

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 01:21

I like italic better, but his plate is full at the moment. But that paper in primo!
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 02:11

It's certainly straight.

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 02:53

That is a good hand, thanks for linking... but Mr. Smith is right - the man needs a stub, at least.

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 03:52

Pretty good for a lefty :bunny01: (ducks)

I think it looks really good. Plenty of character, and still legible.
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 07:05

Pleasantly surprised by this - not what I was expecting at all. Very neat and honest-looking script, IMO.

I don't go along with the claims of graphologists at all, but I think there's no denying that our handwriting does cause an impression to be formed about the writer. Unfortunately, that impression could be quite false - though I don't mean in this case, just generally. I think this handwriting makes a very good impression.
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 07:28

Oo, I think his handwriting is lovely. Very pleasant to look at.
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 07:34

That's quite nice. Very clean.

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 03:20

And Norway was among the safest countries in the world. Really a pity. I fancy living in Norway someday.

I love the hand, seen it once before. If you stubbified that...
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Posted 29 July 2011 - 03:55

It is a nice hand--can you imagine how it would look if we could get him to quit with the rollerballs and convert to using real pens, as we do?
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 06:28

It looks nice and legible. However, I am also left with the impression that it is immature, naive, and indecisive.

This has nothing to do with my opinion of him or politics in general, just the hand.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 06:50

It looks nice and legible. However, I am also left with the impression that it is immature, naive, and indecisive.

This has nothing to do with my opinion of him or politics in general, just the hand.


Interesting. I don't see that at all.

Can you point to the specific qualities of the script that give you these impressions?
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 07:20


It looks nice and legible. However, I am also left with the impression that it is immature, naive, and indecisive.

This has nothing to do with my opinion of him or politics in general, just the hand.


Interesting. I don't see that at all.

Can you point to the specific qualities of the script that give you these impressions?


Equal letter sizing, very open loops, and sometimes thread-like letter connections.

What do you see?
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 09:21



It looks nice and legible. However, I am also left with the impression that it is immature, naive, and indecisive.

This has nothing to do with my opinion of him or politics in general, just the hand.


Interesting. I don't see that at all.

Can you point to the specific qualities of the script that give you these impressions?


Equal letter sizing, very open loops, and sometimes thread-like letter connections.

What do you see?


I noticed the regularity and open loops. But they gave me an impression of constancy and friendliness!

I didn't notice the thread-like connections. Are they what suggested indecisiveness?
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 10:09

....... the impression that it is immature, naive, and indecisive.

This has nothing to do with my opinion of him or politics in general, just the hand.


I also find your take interesting. Is the impression intuitive and personal, or is it based on any standard (textbook) graphology principles?
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 10:57

It looks nice and legible. However, I am also left with the impression that it is immature, naive, and indecisive.

This has nothing to do with my opinion of him or politics in general, just the hand.

I find your observations very interesting. And the reasoning for arriving at the conculsions.
This writing looks very similar to that of my wife of 35 years. She is anything but immature and indecisive!
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 20:06

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This comes from observation, some reading, and some things someone told me once. I'm not a graphologist, so I'm not going to defend myself too much.

The thread connections aren't actually that prevalent here, but from what I've read, they indicate indecisiveness. I've never really observed it, so I can't really stand by it. I see what you mean, DA by the the loops, but they are so round, and combined with the relatively short letters, they seem to indicate something else as well. I definitely agree with you though that the regularity and loops show friendliness and honesty.

The thing that made the biggest impression on me was the letter sizing and height. It's small which is un-leaderlike. Also, the letters that are all the same height, like I mentioned before, show a lot.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 21:20

This comes from observation, some reading, and some things someone told me once. I'm not a graphologist, so I'm not going to defend myself too much.

The thread connections aren't actually that prevalent here, but from what I've read, they indicate indecisiveness. I've never really observed it, so I can't really stand by it. I see what you mean, DA by the the loops, but they are so round, and combined with the relatively short letters, they seem to indicate something else as well. I definitely agree with you though that the regularity and loops show friendliness and honesty.

The thing that made the biggest impression on me was the letter sizing and height. It's small which is un-leaderlike. Also, the letters that are all the same height, like I mentioned before, show a lot.


What do you think of this one?


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Posted 11 August 2011 - 22:39

This comes from observation, some reading, and some things someone told me once. I'm not a graphologist, so I'm not going to defend myself too much.

The thread connections aren't actually that prevalent here, but from what I've read, they indicate indecisiveness. I've never really observed it, so I can't really stand by it. I see what you mean, DA by the the loops, but they are so round, and combined with the relatively short letters, they seem to indicate something else as well. I definitely agree with you though that the regularity and loops show friendliness and honesty.

The thing that made the biggest impression on me was the letter sizing and height. It's small which is un-leaderlike. Also, the letters that are all the same height, like I mentioned before, show a lot.


What do you think of this one?


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I see an optimist who is thoughtful/analytical. High Determination.

I think this person is secretive, and prefers (or maybe just ends up in) isolation. Perhaps likes to work alone? Doesn't care much for the opinions of others as he is more focused on his own. Not incapable of dealing with other people, but puts on a certain face and covers up what is most personally important.

I'm not sure on this one, but I think there may be issues with discipline.

Just speculation.

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 04:19

This comes from observation, some reading, and some things someone told me once. I'm not a graphologist, so I'm not going to defend myself too much.

The thread connections aren't actually that prevalent here, but from what I've read, they indicate indecisiveness. I've never really observed it, so I can't really stand by it. I see what you mean, DA by the the loops, but they are so round, and combined with the relatively short letters, they seem to indicate something else as well. I definitely agree with you though that the regularity and loops show friendliness and honesty.

The thing that made the biggest impression on me was the letter sizing and height. It's small which is un-leaderlike. Also, the letters that are all the same height, like I mentioned before, show a lot.


What do you think of this one?


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Who is this? I can't read it.
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Posted 13 August 2011 - 05:08

Who is this? I can't read it.


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Posted 13 August 2011 - 05:14

Who is this? I can't read it.


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Ok. I'm going to say I made some good calls. What do you think?
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Posted 13 August 2011 - 05:21

Ok. I'm going to say I made some good calls. What do you think?

Very different than Obama.
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Posted 13 August 2011 - 05:59

I see an optimist who is thoughtful/analytical. High Determination.

I think this person is secretive, and prefers (or maybe just ends up in) isolation. Perhaps likes to work alone? Doesn't care much for the opinions of others as he is more focused on his own. Not incapable of dealing with other people, but puts on a certain face and covers up what is most personally important.

I'm not sure on this one, but I think there may be issues with discipline.

Just speculation.

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High determination, yes. Although odds on the writer was an important historical figure. Hence, someone of note: highly determined. Obama and Winston have this in common, as do most folks we bother to remember.

As for isolation and solitude, I'm not sure He spend a great deal of WWII 'in session', working with others. This also meant he was capable of listening to important advisors - so if he valued his own opinion (which he certainly did), he also relied on others'.

Putting on a face. I suspect so. But don't all individuals of historical significance? I'm most all your presidents have to.

As for discipline, possibly. His father saw him as a slacker. But as far as I know, he was disciplined as a soldier and leader.
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Posted 13 August 2011 - 06:20

I see an optimist who is thoughtful/analytical. High Determination.

I think this person is secretive, and prefers (or maybe just ends up in) isolation. Perhaps likes to work alone? Doesn't care much for the opinions of others as he is more focused on his own. Not incapable of dealing with other people, but puts on a certain face and covers up what is most personally important.

I'm not sure on this one, but I think there may be issues with discipline.

Just speculation.

~WhiskeyMan


High determination, yes. Although odds on the writer was an important historical figure. Hence, someone of note: highly determined. Obama and Winston have this in common, as do most folks we bother to remember.

As for isolation and solitude, I'm not sure He spend a great deal of WWII 'in session', working with others. This also meant he was capable of listening to important advisors - so if he valued his own opinion (which he certainly did), he also relied on others'.

Putting on a face. I suspect so. But don't all individuals of historical significance? I'm most all your presidents have to.

As for discipline, possibly. His father saw him as a slacker. But as far as I know, he was disciplined as a soldier and leader.


OK. I'm not a historian, but I remember hearing that Churchill often did things differently than the rest of his peers. He used a different pistol, had different political opinions, strayed from his party etc. That indicates what I said.

Determination is something also seen in Obama's writing. It just wasn't mentioned because I wasn't doing a complete analysis.

Anyway, graphology reveals only the most personal attributes that someone reading a book about the subject may not see. Sure, he did what he had to do in a time of war, but does that reveal how he felt about it? He, like any other leader, is only remembered for the greatest moments.

Thanks for the sample. Keeps my skill sharp.

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 06:53

Anyway, graphology reveals only the most personal attributes that someone reading a book about the subject may not see. Sure, he did what he had to do in a time of war, but does that reveal how he felt about it? He, like any other leader, is only remembered for the greatest moments.


That's possibly true. But to back it up, you'd need to point to evidence beyond the text, e.g. biographical details.

Which illustrates one of the problems with graphology. On its own, it gives little compelling evidence - it needs more robust verification. And if this verification exists, the graphological evidence is redundant.

Of course, it might be considered a clue, e.g. a spur to dig deeper. Still, it does have its problems as a guide to character.

Having said this, it is good fun.
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Posted 13 August 2011 - 11:06

As a fellow Leftie, I think Obama's writing is beautiful, neat, and shows a personal style that indicates individuality/strength of personality. I don't know much about graphology, but am curious whether it takes handedness into account when it 'analyzes' someone. Those who write left-handed despite the cultural bias against it, and those who write right-handed because they were forced to will have different writing than those who are naturally right-handed, and I'm not sure those differences are looked at as fully as they should be.
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