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#1 Gary1952

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Posted 30 April 2011 - 04:45

Hi,

Is it possible to obtain replacement pli-glass sacs for Parker 51 aerometric fountain pens?

If so, where can I purchase some?

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Posted 30 April 2011 - 11:30

Sorry, but I have not seen pliglass sacs available anywhere.... Pen Sac produces a tapered sac for the 51 but it is not pliglass..
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Posted 01 May 2011 - 04:47

In view of the outstanding durability of the pli-glass sac I find it amazing that they are still not in production.
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Posted 01 May 2011 - 12:30

In view of the outstanding durability of the pli-glass sac I find it amazing that they are still not in production.


It is exactly because of the durability of the pliglass sac that they are not still in production....
Parker was the only company to use the pliglass sac and when they discontinued production of the 51 and other pens that used it there was no reason to make more sacs.
Why would they continue to produce a part that will very likely not be needed by repair people.
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 02:05

Hi,

I have some Parker 51 fountain pens with failed pli-glass sacs. Hence my question concerning suppliers of replacement sacs.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 02:11

In view of the outstanding durability of the pli-glass sac I find it amazing that they are still not in production.


It is exactly because of the durability of the pliglass sac that they are not still in production....
Parker was the only company to use the pliglass sac and when they discontinued production of the 51 and other pens that used it there was no reason to make more sacs.
Why would they continue to produce a part that will very likely not be needed by repair people.


Hi,

I note that in the Parker pen parts catalogues from the 60's that nipples and reservoirs (sacs) were available as replacement parts for P51s.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 02:31

I wonder whether today's silicone sacs are as durable as the original pli-glass sacs?
If so then the 1940s Parker formulation has been superseded by current technology, although it would be nice to restore a P51 aerometric to original specs from a purist perspective.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:18

I wonder whether today's silicone sacs are as durable as the original pli-glass sacs?
If so then the 1940s Parker formulation has been superseded by current technology, although it would be nice to restore a P51 aerometric to original specs from a purist perspective.


Hi,

Good point.

Can someone confirm that silicone sacs are as good as or superior to the original pli-glass sacs?

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:51

I think I have seen Ariel Kullock have replacement plyglas sacs from time to time.

I think I have read that the Pen Sac companies P-51 sac is not a rigid as the original but works adequately.

I'm kind of curious about the Hero pens with the P-51 style filler. Since they are made (presumably) in the original Parker factory, would they be close enough in size to be used as replacement sacs? With some of those pens being around $1 each, it'd be a pretty good deal if the sac fit the P-51 filler.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 04:33

I think I have seen Ariel Kullock have replacement plyglas sacs from time to time.

I think I have read that the Pen Sac companies P-51 sac is not a rigid as the original but works adequately.

I'm kind of curious about the Hero pens with the P-51 style filler. Since they are made (presumably) in the original Parker factory, would they be close enough in size to be used as replacement sacs? With some of those pens being around $1 each, it'd be a pretty good deal if the sac fit the P-51 filler.

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Hi,

Excellent suggestion - has anyone actually tried to use a Hero sac in a P51?

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 04:42

It is true that Parker did stock as replacement/repair parts the sac and connector assembly. There are a few sources that may or may not have them, I doubt anyone will volunteer to sell you one. They were not common then and are less common now. (NOS parts stashes do turn up.)

Martin at Woodbin does sell a tapered (yes you need a tapered sac) silicone sac that works in the 51. It isn't exact but it will work.

If you watch the market place, you will find parts 51s. Buy one and just move your body/hood/nib/feed to a good filler core rarely do you find an aero 51 with a bad sac.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 05:16

Is a Parker Super '21' sac the same as a '51'? I have a junk Super '21' in my box of parts right now.
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 06:48

Is a Parker Super '21' sac the same as a '51'? I have a junk Super '21' in my box of parts right now.


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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:38

I wonder whether today's silicone sacs are as durable as the original pli-glass sacs?
If so then the 1940s Parker formulation has been superseded by current technology, although it would be nice to restore a P51 aerometric to original specs from a purist perspective.


Hi,

Good point.

Can someone confirm that silicone sacs are as good as or superior to the original pli-glass sacs?

Regards,


I have used silicone sacs, not in a 51 though, they are incredibly strong. I messed with an offcut and it was verry very difficult to break.

I recently aquired a 1949 51 which is beautiful apart from being re sac'd with a conventional sac. Works OK but you cant see the ink levels. I will replace it for a silicone sac one day.

I think the hero sacs are silicone also.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 11:14

I note that in the Parker pen parts catalogues from the 60's that nipples and reservoirs (sacs) were available as replacement parts for P51s.

Regards,


Which would be correct as the pen was still being produced by Parker in the 60s.... production did not end until the early 70's

Hero sacs do not fit... they are too small

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 11:27

I note that in the Parker pen parts catalogues from the 60's that nipples and reservoirs (sacs) were available as replacement parts for P51s.

Regards,


Which would be correct as the pen was still being produced by Parker in the 60s.... production did not end until the early 70's

Hero sacs do not fit... they are too small

Oldgriz,

Do you think that a sac from a Parker Super 21 would be suitable for use in a Parker 51?

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 12:08

The sacs that Martin (Woodbin) sells as 51 sacs are too small and are loose in the sac guard. A standard silicone sac from Woodbin works and holds more ink.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 23:49

Is a Parker Super '21' sac the same as a '51'? I have a junk Super '21' in my box of parts right now.


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Posted 14 September 2011 - 08:31

I've got my hands on a Parker 51, but its sac is something like midnight blue. I've never seen the original 'Pli-glass' sac before, but I'm guessing it's supposed to be transparent? Is it possible for Pli-glass sac to be stained by ink to the extent that it is completely opaque?

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 11:11

I've got my hands on a Parker 51, but its sac is something like midnight blue. I've never seen the original 'Pli-glass' sac before, but I'm guessing it's supposed to be transparent? Is it possible for Pli-glass sac to be stained by ink to the extent that it is completely opaque?


Yes and very commonly found stained with the ink used...
Depending on the ink and length of time it was left in the pen... a fair amount may be removed by using a good technical pen cleaner (Rapidoeze, etc) to flush the pen
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