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#1 Pepin

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 22:41

I own about 40 or so desk sets, most use fountain pens with six require parker refills. I went to an office supply store and got 6 packs of their medium gel refills (made in the UK). After about 2 months, the refills started to make inconsistent lines or have dried up altogether. Normally, I'd just buy new ones. However, the quality for such a prestigious brand is deplorable considering the ubiquitous Japanese brand gel pens (entire pen/not just a bloody refill) write literally 10x better at 1/2 or 1/3 the cost. I have visited several stores and have not found alternatives compatible with the Parker design. Please help.
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Posted 13 January 2011 - 23:18

I own about 40 or so desk sets, most use fountain pens with six require parker refills. I went to an office supply store and got 6 packs of their medium gel refills (made in the UK). After about 2 months, the refills started to make inconsistent lines or have dried up altogether. Normally, I'd just buy new ones. However, the quality for such a prestigious brand is deplorable considering the ubiquitous Japanese brand gel pens (entire pen/not just a bloody refill) write literally 10x better at 1/2 or 1/3 the cost. I have visited several stores and have not found alternatives compatible with the Parker design. Please help.


I did not have any problems with mine. Never used one but a lot of people here praise Visconti gels.
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Posted 14 January 2011 - 12:35


I own about 40 or so desk sets, most use fountain pens with six require parker refills. I went to an office supply store and got 6 packs of their medium gel refills (made in the UK). After about 2 months, the refills started to make inconsistent lines or have dried up altogether. Normally, I'd just buy new ones. However, the quality for such a prestigious brand is deplorable considering the ubiquitous Japanese brand gel pens (entire pen/not just a bloody refill) write literally 10x better at 1/2 or 1/3 the cost. I have visited several stores and have not found alternatives compatible with the Parker design. Please help.


I did not have any problems with mine. Never used one but a lot of people here praise Visconti gels.


The Visconti fills have a definite "liquid ink" element to them. They're a good choice if you like a very smooth, liquid writing feel. I do, and use them when I can get them. If you like something on the dryer side, Parker or Moneverde are better for that.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 17:03



I own about 40 or so desk sets, most use fountain pens with six require parker refills. I went to an office supply store and got 6 packs of their medium gel refills (made in the UK). After about 2 months, the refills started to make inconsistent lines or have dried up altogether. Normally, I'd just buy new ones. However, the quality for such a prestigious brand is deplorable considering the ubiquitous Japanese brand gel pens (entire pen/not just a bloody refill) write literally 10x better at 1/2 or 1/3 the cost. I have visited several stores and have not found alternatives compatible with the Parker design. Please help.


I did not have any problems with mine. Never used one but a lot of people here praise Visconti gels.


The Visconti fills have a definite "liquid ink" element to them. They're a good choice if you like a very smooth, liquid writing feel. I do, and use them when I can get them. If you like something on the dryer side, Parker or Moneverde are better for that.



I don't care much for the gel refills due to their propensity to leak ink stains inside the pen and in my shirt pocket. Then you throw them away after two months of writing like you do with rollerball refills.

The current Parker refills are not as good as the ones made in Neuhaven UK or in the USA. I still have good refills from mid 1970's, 80's and 90's. It appears that Parker management wants you to keep buying refills when they dry up. That is why people will look for Parker style refills as opposed to the generic brand.

I might have to join the bandwagon by buying Parker style refills. Yesterday I bought a France made stainless steel Jotter and the refill is already scratchy.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 18:28

I've bought two Parker gel refills (medium black) and both of them provide an ugly writing experience. The major problem was a rough, non smooth sensation. Finally I micromeshed both and now they are better, but not perfect.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 22:40

Parker have recently brought out a new ballpoint refill called Quink Flow - there was one in the Premier Black Edition BP I bought in Nov 10.

I haven't had any problems with it and it has more of a liquid ink in it compared to the standard Parker bp refill. I tried to get a spare refill in my local pen shop but they didn't stock it, however the lady in the shop tried out my pen and said that it was much better to write with than the standard refill.

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 06:30

Is Quink flow just their old gel rebranded?

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 15:47

Is Quink flow just their old gel rebranded?


Ah, This is their new quink FLOW ballpoint refill. See link below. Was suppose to be available in USA this year but I
have not see it yet. Not sure how they stay in business.

I have had good luck with the Parker Blue Gels (have not used black). It doesn't get much smoother and they have not been scratchy. Only down side to them is the Blue is VERY non-water resistant.

Like others on the thread, I've found the Parker regular (non-Gel) ballpoints of late scratchy and dry. I've had to switch to
the broad point to make them write better (get ink on the paper without pressing really really hard). I'm not sure what happened
to Parker...probably the switch from the UK to elsewhere? I know they recently reverted the point on the ballpoint to a straight angle/taper... for a while when Gillette had owned them the UK refills had a curved taper to the point.. this let one write at
a steeper angle.

I'll buy a Quink flow when they are available but its odd ..they are not available for retailers in the usa yet.

http://www.passion4p...ct/30-134065802

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 00:54

I have visited several stores and have not found alternatives compatible with the Parker design. Please help.



Schneider Gelion 39, Express 735 or Express 755 refills can replace Parker (Gel) refills.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 01:06

Visconti, Monteverdi, and I've even tried Yaffa's own label and I've been happy with them.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 01:24

Visconti, Monteverde and Schmidt all great!
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Posted 26 January 2011 - 06:25

Visconti is hands-down the best Parker-style gel refill I have ever used. These refills are in an entirely different league from anything else out there.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 13:39

This is odd. I've been using the Parker blue medium gels with no problems whatsoever. I've had one in a Cartier Diablo mini BP for about 4 years now, and it still writes like a champ. I am intrigued by what I'm reading about the Visconti gels, though. If any of the Parker gels I have fail, I'm gonna try one.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 14:51

I have had issues with the UK made blue Parker ballpoint refills. They have a propensity to leak inside the pens. I've had about 4 or 5 do this and have written Parker and they just send me a new refill. I don't do anything weird with them to make them do this. I have one of the new refills in blue that say "Quink" got it at Walmart here in Canada. Haven't tried it yet. Funny the refills have an ISO standard number on them which you would think would indicate good QC?.

I also use the IM Rollerball. I carry a couple (one with blue and one with black refill). I notice those can be "hit and miss" as well. I use the black UK ones and they write ok but on a business trip last week I saw that Staples had the blue rollerball refills made in France. Seems that the blue ones whether made in UK or France are not the greatest. Very scratchy.

I tend to pick up Monteverde ballpoint refills when at our local stationer and they work pretty good for the Parker ballpoints. You can get them in about 8 different colours.

My thoughts. Perhaps I should use my FP's more:). Though my work stuff of late hasn't really allowed me to fully enjoy them at work.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 15:34

Another vote for Visconti gel refills. I purchase mine from Bryant :thumbup:

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 22:24

I like the Itoya needle point gel refills (fit the Parker BPs) and get them from the guy on Ebay from Temecula. Very smooth, the refill is transparent, and if the pen skips, it is easy to see why, because that refill will be completely empty. Inexpensive too.

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I will of course try a Visconti.

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 00:56

The passion for pens site says the new quink flow refills aren't available until March or April :( Parker must
must be doing very well and not need my money.

http://www.passion4p...ct/30-134065802

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 19:45

Parker have recently brought out a new ballpoint refill called Quink Flow - there was one in the Premier Black Edition BP I bought in Nov 10.

I haven't had any problems with it and it has more of a liquid ink in it compared to the standard Parker bp refill.


Did you have a chance to compare it to a gel refill? I frankly do not understand where Parker will put Quink Flow compared to gel. I read somewhere on the net that Quink Flow will be good for 2000 meters whereas the gel runs for 600 meters. That is a plus but I would love to compare them myself.

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 04:21

Visconti makes the best!

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 19:25


Parker have recently brought out a new ballpoint refill called Quink Flow - there was one in the Premier Black Edition BP I bought in Nov 10.

I haven't had any problems with it and it has more of a liquid ink in it compared to the standard Parker bp refill.


Did you have a chance to compare it to a gel refill? I frankly do not understand where Parker will put Quink Flow compared to gel. I read somewhere on the net that Quink Flow will be good for 2000 meters whereas the gel runs for 600 meters. That is a plus but I would love to compare them myself.

Regards,


QuinkFlow will be the replacement for the standard Parker ballpoint refill. It is a low viscosity ballpoint, not a gel. It is widely available in Europe, will get to US when they build up enough supply, probably in early April. It is simply superb, even smoother than the Schmidt Easy Flow. This is the wave of the future for ballpoints.
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Posted 26 March 2011 - 23:28



Parker have recently brought out a new ballpoint refill called Quink Flow - there was one in the Premier Black Edition BP I bought in Nov 10.

I haven't had any problems with it and it has more of a liquid ink in it compared to the standard Parker bp refill.


Did you have a chance to compare it to a gel refill? I frankly do not understand where Parker will put Quink Flow compared to gel. I read somewhere on the net that Quink Flow will be good for 2000 meters whereas the gel runs for 600 meters. That is a plus but I would love to compare them myself.

Regards,


QuinkFlow will be the replacement for the standard Parker ballpoint refill. It is a low viscosity ballpoint, not a gel. It is widely available in Europe, will get to US when they build up enough supply, probably in early April. It is simply superb, even smoother than the Schmidt Easy Flow. This is the wave of the future for ballpoints.


Well I see they're available online at several places now.. And in Staples in the USA I see Jotter pens again in the new packaging...so maybe these refills will follow. I just picked up some regular Gels to hold me over until these arrive.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 17:30

Funny the refills have an ISO standard number on them which you would think would indicate good QC?.


ISO standards don't always relate to QC.

The one you're probably seeing is 12757-2, and as far as I know it concerns the ink inside the refill.

There's another standard that specifies the type of refill. I'm not positive which standard it is, but the refills are normally called G2 size.

I have an older Parker BP refill that says DIN 16 554/2 I did a search on google for that and this might be where the G2 comes from.

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Posted 30 March 2011 - 11:41

Art Browns now has the new Quink Flow refills. Must be other places in US by now, as well.
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Posted 30 March 2011 - 19:59


Funny the refills have an ISO standard number on them which you would think would indicate good QC?.


ISO standards don't always relate to QC.

The one you're probably seeing is 12757-2, and as far as I know it concerns the ink inside the refill.

There's another standard that specifies the type of refill. I'm not positive which standard it is, but the refills are normally called G2 size.


ISO 12757-2 is a specification for the durability of ink towards tampering and hence sometimes refered as document safe.

ISO 12757-1 has to do with the size of the refills. G2, the Parker we know, and D1, a pretty standard thin refill found on promotional pens, are two of the sizes mentioned.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 01:44

Art Browns now has the new Quink Flow refills. Must be other places in US by now, as well.

yep...see them on goldspot's sight.. think I'll place an order. Hope these refills are all they're said to be..

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 11:14

I own about 40 or so desk sets, most use fountain pens with six require parker refills. I went to an office supply store and got 6 packs of their medium gel refills (made in the UK). After about 2 months, the refills started to make inconsistent lines or have dried up altogether. Normally, I'd just buy new ones. However, the quality for such a prestigious brand is deplorable considering the ubiquitous Japanese brand gel pens (entire pen/not just a bloody refill) write literally 10x better at 1/2 or 1/3 the cost. I have visited several stores and have not found alternatives compatible with the Parker design. Please help.



I have the problem with them skipping. It looks like it is easy to get debris into the ball assembly which instantly screws them up and they don't seem to be able to clear themselves. So any paper that has loose fibers is a no-no.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 15:14

The Quink Flow refills are smoother than regular ballpoint refills. They're marked "Made in France," unlike the older Parker ballpoint refills. Stores like Staples and Office Max can have two variants; the newest are marked "Quink Flow" and not just "Quink." The line of the medium is thinner than most competing refills, and the color is more towards blue-black than many others.

I use either these new Quink Flow refills, Office Depot Foray "Parker-style" refills (made in Switzerland), or Monteverde Smooth Flow. The Foray and Parker exhibit fewer ink blobs than the Monteverde, and write a bit more smoothly. Each of these refills has slightly different diameters for the refill where it goes through the pen point; I try to choose a refill that doesn't create any "clicking" sound when I write (if the refill diameter doesn't closely match the size of the pen point hole, then the refill will move slightly as you write, making a noise when it comes into contact with the point of the pen). The Foray refills have a slightly larger diameter than the others (but fit through every pen I've tried, from Aurora to Retro51 to Pelikan, etc.). I'm talking about a very, very, very small difference here.

I've given up on all "Parker-style" gel refills, because virtually every sample I've tried for years, from almost every maker, will end up leaking a clear sticky silicone fluid from the back end. Parker is the worst (by far), but the Visconti (except for a few broad points) and Monteverde will leak, too. The only non-leaking gel refills I've tried are the Schmidt, but they come only in a fine point, which I don't like.

If price matters, the Foray refills are about half the price of the others, because they're rebranded with the name of the big box store. Foray's lineup of refills are made either in China or Switzerland; what I have said applies ONLY to the Swiss-made "Parker-style" refills (which have blue or black ink, medium points).

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 15:51

The Quink Flow refills are smoother than regular ballpoint refills. They're marked "Made in France," unlike the older Parker ballpoint refills. Stores like Staples and Office Max can have two variants; the newest are marked "Quink Flow" and not just "Quink." The line of the medium is thinner than most competing refills, and the color is more towards blue-black than many others.

I use either these new Quink Flow refills, Office Depot Foray "Parker-style" refills (made in Switzerland), or Monteverde Smooth Flow. The Foray and Parker exhibit fewer ink blobs than the Monteverde, and write a bit more smoothly. Each of these refills has slightly different diameters for the refill where it goes through the pen point; I try to choose a refill that

If price matters, the Foray refills are about half the price of the others, because they're rebranded with the name of the big box store. Foray's lineup of refills are made either in China or Switzerland; what I have said applies ONLY to the Swiss-made "Parker-style" refills (which have blue or black ink, medium points).


Well the new Parker Quinkflow certainly doesn't blob when writing.. I did leave a refill
sitting and ink came out the tip. I've been going back and forth between the Quinkflow and the Schmidt Easyflow 9000 (blue here). The Easyflow has more purple shade to it. Other
differences; the Quinkflow is better at writing long lines, the Easyflow has more of a problem on long lines..but it puts more ink on the paper when writing (don't have to press as hard). Also the Easyflow blue is very vibrant when writing..but it appears a bit fainter the next day. They are both very close but the Easyflow is smoother/less drag by far.

I had called Monteverde looking for their blue Soft-Rolls; they told me the Foray Blue was the same refill and referred me to my local store. The Foray SoftRoll blue is a broader point and the ink seems similiar to the Easyflow/Quinkflow. But the Softroll skips quite a bit.

I've been trying all these refills to get a permanent blue. I continue to look for a blue
gel that has some permanence.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 17:43

I've had pretty good luck with Inoxcrom refills. Pretty smooth flow, particularly with the gel-style refills.

I'm not sure how to get them in the US, as I tend to "steal" them out of the adpens that show up in my office....

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 17:55

Funny the refills have an ISO standard number on them which you would think would indicate good QC?.

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