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#1 Sandy1

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 05:44

  • Kindly adjust the brightness & contrast of your monitor to accurately depict this Gray Scale.
  • As the patches are neutral gray, the colour on your monitor should also be neutral.
Figure 1.
Grey Scale.
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Figure 2.
Paper: HP1124 Laser Copy.
Swabs: Waterman Florida Blue. Caran d'Ache Blue Night
Swatch: Drawn with Pelikan M200 + BB.
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WRITTEN SAMPLES: Moby Dick

Note - Narrow Nibs:
In a break from previous practice, 4mm row height with written and block printed samples were not used. The examples with narrow nibs were written using 6mm row height. I believe this reflects the most likely and appropriate use of this ink.

Figure 3.
Paper: HP1124 Laser Copy.
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Figure 4.
Paper: Rhodia
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Figure 5.
Paper: G Lalo, Verge de France, white
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Figure 6.
Grocery List
Paper: Pulp - from a one-a-day cartoon calendar.
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OTHER SAMPLES:

Figure 7.
Wet samples, Smear / Dry Time.
Paper: HP 1124 Laser Copy.
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GENERAL DESCRIPTION:

Type:
  • Dye-based fountain pen ink.
Daily writer?
  • Quite possible, especially if one appreciates small luxuries, and likes to share them with others.
Other:
  • Sits very comfortably upon the page.
  • This ink has normal wetness; and displays a considerable range of density and shading.
  • This might be a 'Must Have' for anyone except mstone.
USES:

Business:
  • An interesting alternative ink.
  • Quite dynamic for such a dark ink.
  • Internal & external correspondence.
  • Not snappy enough for mark-up, editing, revisions, etc.
  • Signatures.
Illustrations / Graphics:
  • For charts, graphs, etc., it is too dark - too easily mistaken for Black or Dark Blue.
  • May be used as a substitute for the dreaded Black. And if a lighter 'Dark Blue' is used, then the difference in colour and density will be OK - even welcome.
  • Even on lower tier paper, this ink holds together and does not feather, so long as nib+feed is not overly wet.
Personal:
  • Absolutely.
  • For such a dark ink, there is a tremendous amount of character available from the variation in shading; which is best expressed through careful selection of writing implement and paper.
  • If one uses Dark Blue as a 'personal' ink, then this may be a most welcome addition to your ink array.
PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE & CHARACTERISTICS:

Flow:
  • Tends to be very neutral.
  • OK with all sampled nibs & feeds.
  • Watch out for too dry writers.
Nib Dry-out:
  • Immediate start-up after 10 minutes uncapped:
Start-up:
  • Very good.
Lubrication:
  • Excellent.
  • Enhances the writing experience.
  • Makes XF nibs tolerable for me.
Nib Creep:
  • None.
Staining:
  • No.
Clogging:
  • Unlikely.
Bleed Through:
  • Not on any of the papers.
Show Though:
  • Both sides of paper may be used without a problem.
Smell:
  • A rather 'rounded' ester aroma.
Hand oil sensitivity:
  • Slight.
Archival:
  • Makes no such claim.
Water Resistance: (Figure 7)
  • Modest.
Smear Results: (Figure 7)
  • Dry within 5 seconds.
Bulletproof:
  • Makes no such claim.
Clean Up:
  • Quick & thorough with plain water. :-)
Mixing:
  • No stated prohibitions / limitations.
  • There may be a temptation to lighten or 'open-up' this ink. If so, I'd stay within the Cd'A range, using a bit of the Cd'A Blue Sky.
THE LOOK:

Saturation:
  • Not so much, but due to the dark tone it may appear to be more saturated than it is.
Shading:
  • Oh yes. Apparent even from the rigid nibs of the Parker 25 and the Carene.
Feathering:
  • Only when excessive ink is laid down.
Variance depending on pen+nib combos used:
  • Reasonably consistent. Quite responsive to changes in the writing implement and paper.
FIDELITY:

Is colour name appropriate / accurate?
  • Yes.
PAPERS:

Lovely papers:
  • This ink should look really good on most white papers.
Trip-wire papers:
  • This ink should be able to handle any writing paper. If it looks bad - it's the paper, not the ink.
Tinted Papers:
  • Not really. Perhaps a pale pale powder blue.
  • I don't really care for the look on the off-white G Lalo. (??)
Is high-end paper 'worth it'?
  • Not necessarily. Very dependent on the nib+feed.
OTHER THAN INK:

Presentation :
  • 30ml. bottle.
Country of origin:
  • Not explicitly stated, but infers Switzerland, which may or may not be the case.
  • Note: I've seen an unsubstantiated rumour / loose talk / speculation that Caran d'Ache inks are made in France by Herbin. Who knows or cares if that's true or false - the ink's great.
Container:
  • A heavy clear glass square-based bottle, 48mm on each side. with a maximum height of 65mm.
  • The centred round opening is a mere 18mm.
  • The Label does not include the word 'ink', not does it carry a graphic that indicates ink.
  • The 'Bakelite' screw cap has a pronounced grippy shape.
  • The cap is not child-proof.
  • The cap seal seems to be the better sort of coated card stock.
  • Single tank, no filling aids, no sediment collector. Bah! 2xBah for such a petite shallow ink tank.
Box:
  • Nicely coated.
  • Includes a cut-out to display the bottle label, which can be a minor nuisance - one more task in a busy day. Tsk
  • Includes the word 'ink' in several languages.
Eco-Green:
  • All bits easily recyclable.
  • Cap likely benign.
Availability:
  • Seems to be a global player in the luxe niche.
ETC:

Majik:
  • Oh yeah, baby! Even before one opens the bottle.
Personal Pen & Paper Pick:
  • From the few samples shown, my pick is the Pilot Custom 74 with the SFM nib on the Rhodia.
Yickity Yackity:
  • This is a premier ink, which I should use more often.
  • Doing this Review was a pleasure because the ink is wonderful. I won't wash the pens, as I usually do after preparing a Review, but will write them dry.
  • Ah kushbaby, finally an ink for you! (I still pack my own chute.)
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MATERIEL USED:

These pen+nib combos:
  • Parker 25 + an Australian steel XF nib.
  • *No_Name*: An old lever filler without loop or clip; 12mm wide cap band; 111mm capped; sporting a Conklin No. 3 nib w/o hallmark.
  • Pilot Custom 74 + 18K Soft Fine Medium (SFM) nib.
  • Waterman Carene + 18K M nib.
  • Sheaffer Prelude + stock steel stub B nib.
  • Pelikan M200 + M200 series gold-plated steel BB nib.
  • For lines & labels: Pilot Human Engineering + steel XF nib; loaded with Visconti Bordeaux.
On these papers:
  • HP 1124 24 lb. Laser Copy.
  • Rhodia.
  • G Lalo 'Verge de France' white.
  • Pulp - one-a-day cartoon calendar page: Parker 25 + XF nib only.
NOTES:

  • I use only papers, pens & nibs that are readily available, not too pricey and 'stock' - not customised. If some pens/nibs are not currently produced, I'll use them if there are NOS or restored pieces readily available at OK prices. As appropriate, I'll include an implement outside of those guidelines, which will be ID-ed as a *Dealer's Choice.
  • Figures were produced on an Epson V600 scanner; factory defaults were accepted. Originals scanned at 150 dpi & 24 bit colour to produce .jpg files.The image was not adjusted other than cropping and straightening using iPhoto on a MacBook.
  • Scanner Densitometer Readings were generated from the Drawn Swatch in Figure 2: Red 31; Green 55; Blue 142; Luminosity 67.
EDIT - Format / lay-out.


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Edited by Sandy1, 09 May 2010 - 07:28.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 06:38

Thank you for another superb review, Sandy! It has answered most of my worries and looks to be an ink I really must get - although I just have a few final concerns.

How old is it (some people have recorded the ink losing its colour over time to end up being a nasty grey), and where did you buy it?

I am sure the faulty batch must be through the system by now, but ...

John

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:04

Thank you for another superb review, Sandy! It has answered most of my worries and looks to be an ink I really must get - although I just have a few final concerns.

How old is it (some people have recorded the ink losing its colour over time to end up being a nasty grey), and where did you buy it?

I am sure the faulty batch must be through the system by now, but ...

John

Hi,
  • You're welcome. I'm glad that this Review has encouraged you to acquire this ink.
  • My bottle contains ink from 2 purchases, the first about 14 months ago then about 3 months ago. (So I used more than 30ml in 11 months. I add the 'new' ink slowly over time - not just dump a bolus - a technique I learned from a calligrapher friend.)
  • Purchases were made in the US.
  • I will retain the originals created for the Review, and will come back to them in a year or so - perhaps the ink changes on the page. Although the swatches I made the first time I bought this ink some years ago still look OK, and comparable to those generated for the Review.
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 09:16

I'm new on this forum and thisis the first ink review that I saw.

Amazing. :notworthy1:

Thank you very much for such a thorough review.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:40

My CdA Blue Night appears a rather non descriptive grey, when I first got it it was a blue/grey, now just a dull grey.

Not greatly impressed.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:42

Oh, wow, that was one in depth review! Love the colour and those CdA bottles are gorgeous =)

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 14:50

My CdA Blue Night appears a rather non descriptive grey, when I first got it it was a blue/grey, now just a dull grey.

Not greatly impressed.

Kind regards
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Hi,

I think that was a 'bad batch'. Well, I certainly hope that's the case, because the ink shown in the Review is so very different in colour. I wouldn't buy an ink the colour of your sample, but that's just a personal opinion.

But I am curious -- is it just the colour that differs? Are there also differences in other physical properties? performance?

I must say I had a similar experience with a DeAtramentis ink very recently: the ink name is 'Midnight Blue', but the ink is profoundly Blue-Green, to the extent that I was calling it a dark Turquoise. Another FPNer happened to have the same ink, and assured me that my ink matched theirs in colour - it wasn't just me. Ah well, misery loves company, yes?

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 15:06

Oh, wow, that was one in depth review! Love the colour and those CdA bottles are gorgeous =)

Yuki

Hi,
Glad you enjoyed the Review.
I was tempted to include a scan of the bottle to show the shallow ink tank, but I need to be more sensitive to the bandwidth that an image-heavy OP demands, so I didn't include that. We want to keep FPN use free, yes?
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 15:45

Excellent review as always, thanks.
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 18:54

Excellent review as always, thanks.

You're welcome.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 02:12

BETTER BOTTLE - BETTER BOTTLE

This is from an 'Inky Thoughts' OP.
So instead of a shallow ink tank, Cd'A could keep the 'glass cube' format, just change the orientation 90o.from wide & shallow to narrow & deep. No Brainer, yes? (Show of hands please)
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Posted 11 May 2010 - 05:01

Where do these images come from?

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 07:35

BETTER BOTTLE - BETTER BOTTLE

This is from an 'Inky Thoughts' OP.
So instead of a shallow ink tank, Cd'A could keep the 'glass cube' format, just change the orientation 90o.from wide & shallow to narrow & deep. No Brainer, yes? (Show of hands please)
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Just buy that bottle that is the one that comes with the gold ink, and throw away the ink. I mean....how much could some lousy "real gold" ink cost, anyway? I do love the bottle though.
With the new FPN rules, now I REALLY don't know what to put in my signature.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 14:10

This is, as are all of Sandy1's ink reviews, as thorough as one could ask for. It's an interesting ink for sure.

But what I like most about Sandy1's reviews are the grocery lists. By and large, they make me wish that you'd invite me over for dinner.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 12:40

Sandy1, am I right in saying this is your favourite ink?

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 13:38

Sandy1, am I right in saying this is your favourite ink?

Hi,

I'm afraid you'd be mistaken - bottled Montblanc Blue-Black remains my favourite ink.

Even after the arrival of many other inks, Cd'A BN retains its place as a 'top shelf' ink.

The best ink is the one that's in the pen I'm holding. :)

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:14

Very inetesrting blue from caran d'ache :thumbup: thanks for the review
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 23:31

Bumping this to see if the fading problem has been corrected in recent batches?
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:24

Bumping this to see if the fading problem has been corrected in recent batches?


Hi,

I recently bought a new bottle of CdABlN which appears ever so slightly darker, but nothing that could not be caused by environmental differences or the usual variation of matériel or my manner of writing.

Upon inspection, the samples depicted in the Review appear much the same - certainly nothing to indicate the ink has a "fading problem".

In the near term, I plan to add a post including a set of comparison exemplars, so those will be done with the ink from the most recent bottle.

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Edited by Sandy1, 16 August 2012 - 06:39.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 08:16

Hello again,

To support ad hoc comparison to Blue and Blue-Black inks that I have reviewed more recently, I have revisited Cd'ABlN to add more written samples. These samples use much the same layout, papers, pens and imaging method as my more recent ink reviews.

As always, should one feel that a separate Post or Topic is required to depict a certain aspect of an ink, or a comparison to another ink that I have reviewed, your PM will be welcomed. While requests for new scans may be accommodated as time & tides permit, creation of even more inky work is unlikely.

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Please note: The ink shown below was purchased February 2012. As mentioned in Post 19 above, LINK, it seemed to give an ever so slightly darker result than the ink used for the Review.


WRITTEN SAMPLES - Moby Dick
Ruling: 8mm.

Paper: HPJ1124.
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Paper: Rhodia.
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Paper: Staples 20lb.
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Hi-Res Images
Originals are 30x60mm.
To view as intended, kindly click on the thumbnail.

330+M on HPJ1124:
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Carene+S on Rhodia:
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Other Stuff

Bleed- Show-through on Staples 20lb.
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Smear/Dry Times & Wet Tests
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COMMENTS
  • Results are materially consistent with prior samples.
  • Two-sided use on the Staples 20lb seems likely from a slightly dry pen.

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NUTS BOLTS & BOILERPLATE

Pens:
  • Sheaffer 330 + steel M nib.
  • Non-Nudist Pink Safari + goosed steel 1.1 nib.
  • Platinum President Purist + 22K B nib.
  • Waterman Carene + 18K factory stock Stub nib.

Papers:
  • HPJ1124 24lb. Laser Copy
  • Rhodia.
  • Staples 20lb. multi-use

Imaging
  • An Epson V600 scanner was used with the bundled Epson s/w at factory default settings to produce low-loss jpg files.
  • Figures shown were scanned at 200 dpi & 24 bit colour.
  • Hi-Res Images linked were scanned at 300 dpi & 24 bit colour.
  • No post-capture manipulation of scanner output was done, other than dumb-down by Epson, Photobucket & IP.Board s/w.

Fine Print
The accuracy and relevance of this Review depends in great part upon consistency and reliability of matériel used.
Ink does not require labelling/notice to indicate (changes in) formulation, non-hazardous ingredients, batch ID, date of manufacture, etc.
As always YMMV, due to differences in materials, manner of working, environment, etc.
Also, I entrust readers to separate opinion from fact; to evaluate inferences and conclusions as to their merit; and to be amused by whatever tickles your fancy.


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Edited by Sandy1, 19 August 2012 - 08:18.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 14:03

Time to snap up the remaining stocks of this ink, yes?

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 14:50

Time to snap up the remaining stocks of this ink, yes?


Hi,

Well, as much as I really really like this ink, I haven't gone nuts to create a hoard. I use quite a few other BlBk inks, so a two-bottle cache seems enough to help me deal with the withdrawal process, and still have some on hand for those times when only Blue Night will do.

Also, I like to think that Cd'A will eventually introduce another BlBk ink into their product line under a different name. So perhaps what we're seeing is a clear-out of Blue Night to make room for its successor, but that is pure speculation.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 21:53

I got a free bottle of the Blue Night packaged with my new Leman pen. I have to say it is my least favourite ink - it is neither blue nor black, just an insipid grey. Wish I could swap it for some Blue Sky which is very good - a really nice solid blue.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 22:37

I got a free bottle of the Blue Night packaged with my new Leman pen. I have to say it is my least favourite ink - it is neither blue nor black, just an insipid grey. Wish I could swap it for some Blue Sky which is very good - a really nice solid blue.


Hi,


Thanks for sharing your experience with this ink - especially as there was a problem.


Some years ago a bad batch did enter the market, as mentioned above Post № 7


As ever, in the event of getting bad ink, I suggest contacting the Vendor & ink Co., to make them aware of the situation, seek compensation / replacement, and offer to send a sample to the ink Co. for analysis.


I too like Cd'A Sky Blue well enough, but it was so close to Sheaffer Skrip Blue and plain ol' Cd'A 'Blue', that Sky Blue wasn't replaced once that bottle ran dry.


Bye,
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See also:
  • Comparison - Cd'A 'Blue Sky' :: Sheaffer Skrip 'Blue'
    • http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/162417-comparison-caran-d-ache-blue-sky-sheaffer-skrip-blue/
  • Comparison - Cd'A 'Blue Sky' :: 'Blue'
    • http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/162857-comparison-caran-d-ache-blue-sky-caran-d-ache-blue/


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 16:46

U P D A T E


It seems that Caran d'Ache does indeed plan to release a new set of inks to replace their 'Colors of the Earth' series.


New Ink Series


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 19:52

Thanks for the review. Again, a good indication -- IMO -- that CdA manages to offer a colour which is very subtle. As I see it, it is not simply any ol' blue-grey, not a grey-blue, not even a sky-blue or a blue-sky....
Too bad they're going to discontinue it. But I think that a lot of us will in the meantime still find a few spare tires (in your neck o' da woods 'tyre').

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 14:54

The newer of the two bottles seems more my direction.

The first sample shown seemed to me to be an ink struggling to become blue and not quite getting over a blue/graying hurdle, and the second was a blue.

Does any one know is this going to be a permanent change in tone or a grab bag between the two?

Just saw the news....discontinued.

Edited by Bo Bo Olson, 26 February 2013 - 17:32.

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For that get a 'flexi' or a "flex" nib.

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