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#1 Sandy1

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 01:40

Preamble
  • This Review is produced with the primary intent of generating relevant objective samples so that practitioners may accurately envision how this ink will look and behave using their pen/s on their paper/s.
  • To do this, pens and papers which I consider to be widely used and/or readily available (not too pricey or rare/exotic) are included.
  • As you can imagine, a fair bit of work goes into my Reviews, so I want that work to derive the greatest benefit.
  • If you feel that improvements can be made to the range of papers & pens, and means of sampling, please do not hesitate to send me a PM.
  • The use of a 'matched set' of Pelikan 'P99' pens (profoundly neutral & devoid of personality) once again revealed that getting uniform wetness is elusive: the <F> & <M> look very similar, but the <B> is wetter. Ah me!

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Date
: March 13, 2010
Brand: Lamy
Name: Green (Grn)
Bottle: Yes, 50 ml.
Pens:
• Pelikan 'P99' : <F>, <M> & <B>
• Pilot '78G' <F>
• Waterman 'Phileas' <F>
• Pilot 'Prera' <M>
• Lamy 'Safari' <M>
• Sheaffer 'No Nonsense' <M>
• Waterman 'Charleston' <M>
• Pelikan 'M200' <1.0mm Stub> Binder

Papers:
• HP1124 Laser Copy, Letter
• Clairefontaine 'Triomphe', A4
• G. Lalo 'Verge de France', white, A4

General Description:
  • An orphan ink that no one I know would willingly take home.
  • I find it hard to imagine ink of this colour being used in a business setting, other than mark-up or editing. Use in graphs, illustrations, diagrams, and other non-text applications seems suitable.
  • For personal correspondence: Forget it, one may well be shunned. Letters written in this ink will go unanswered.
  • For billet doux: Impossible. Grounds for psychological and/or relationship counseling. Such use draws a mandatory minimum sentence of 5 weeks on the sofa.
  • Those whose station mandates the use of Green ink should look elsewhere: this ink will undermine whatever authority/respect your station would otherwise elicit.
  • Mixed-gender couples endeavouring to have children should avoid this ink.
  • This ink should not be used to mark occasions such as Christmas, St. Patrick's Day, Rites of Spring, etc.
  • Eureka, I have it! :eureka: This ink is so benign that it can be used for correction of student work: this ink is a 'smurf', one could get hit between the eyes with it, and that would not elicit so much as a blink. Tender psyches are safe! Hoorah!!
Box:
  • The box top shows a colour 'dot' that is not the least bit representative of the colour of the ink : rather like photos of menu items.
  • Diagrams printed on the inner flaps of the box illuminate the 'dimpled bottom' shaped glass bottle, inserting a pen into the bottle, and the use of the blotter tissue.
Bottle:
  • The unlabeled bottle functions very well actually. It is a stable cylinder, 2 1/2" (6 cm) base diameter; with a centred top opening of 1" (2.5 cm).
  • The lid is green colour, made of soft plastic with adequate grip.
  • Having a 'dimpled bottom' allows the maximum amount of ink to be drawn into the pen. However, if there is sediment in the ink, it may well accumulate in the dimple (oops!)
  • The blotter tissue is best drawn from its dispenser when the cap is secured.
  • Unless one manages to remove the plastic blotter tape dispenser from the glass bottle, it cannot be easily recycled. And on a 'Green' ink bottle! Bah!
Flow / Lubrication:
  • Flows easily in all clean writing implements.
  • Lubrication is unremarkable.
Drying Time: 2 to 4 seconds.

Feathering: Only from a fully loaded dip pen. Absent on FP samples.

Bleedthrough: Only with dip pen sample.

Shading: Modest.

Waterproof: You must be joking - not at all.

Nib Creep
: None.

Staining: None in any of the pens used.
Note: For obvious reasons, this ink remained in the pens only long enough to conduct this review.

Clogging: None.

Saturation: Low - even in a wet Binder Stub!

Dilution:
  • A 1:1 mix showed a weakening of this colour, and also degraded line quality.
  • Not recommended when tight lines [on illustrations] are required.
Appearance: Hiding. A new nadir.

Odour: Ink. Unscented.

Clean-up
: Easily removed from all pens except the 'Phileas' for some unknown reason.

Comparison
: Don't tempt me.

Summary:
  • I bought this ink hoping to find a colour close to a 'process' green, that would be toe-to-toe across from magenta on the colour wheel, and so be useful for mixing inks. Such was not the case.
  • Now I know why this ink does not have an entry in the Ink Review Index: no one would admit to having it.
  • The alt use may well be to tint the water in a vase of flowers.
Scans:
  • Created using an Epson V600. Factory software & other defaults were accepted: 300 dpi & 24-bit colour.
  • The image was not adjusted other than cropping and compression using iPhoto on a MacBook.
Once again, a passage from 'Treasure Island' was lovingly transcribed.

First Page :
HP Laser Copy 24 lb.
Swab & dip pen samples. (WFB included to casually colour calibrate your eye.)
Written samples: Pelikan 'P99' <F>, <M> & <B> nibs.
Dry Time: 2 seconds
Scale: 3" & 8 cm.
Wet Tests: Rain Drop. Soak - blank.

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Second Page :
Clairefontaine 'Triomphe'
Written samples:
  • Pelikan 'P99' <F>, <M> & <B> nibs.
  • Pilot '78G' <F>
  • Waterman 'Phileas' <F>
  • Pilot 'Prera' <M>
  • Lamy 'Safari' <M>
  • Waterman 'Charleston' <M>
  • Pelikan 'M200' <1.0mm Stub> Binder
Dry Time: 2 seconds
Scale: 4" & 8 cm.
Wet Tests : Rain Drop. (Pointless to show soak.)

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Third Page :
G Lalo 'Verge de France', white.
Note: IMHO this paper has the 'hardest' finish, hence the most dry of those used in this Review.
Written samples:
  • Pelikan 'P99' <F>, <M> & <B> nibs.
  • Pilot '78G' <F>
  • Waterman 'Phileas' <F>
  • Pilot 'Prera' <M>
  • Lamy 'Safari' <M>
  • Waterman 'Charleston' <M>
  • Pelikan 'M200' <1.0mm Stub> Binder
Dry Time: 4 seconds
Scale: 4" & 8 cm.
Wet Tests : Rain Drop. (Pointless to show soak.)

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Last Page :
  • Grey scale and colour swatches.
  • A pen-generated sample of the Lamy 'Green' and the exquisite Caran d'Ache 'Amazon'.
  • Swirlies made using the back of a dip pen nib - intended to show potential density range of the colour.
  • Shingle sample of down-stroke of all pens & nibs on all papers used in this Review. This also makes the base-tint of each paper more evident.
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My penmanship has not improved, but...

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#2 SamCapote

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 01:59

Sandy, that is a well thought out, comprehensive, and exhaustive review of an underwhelming ink. It gives such a complete understanding of how all the various nibs, and all the variations one might think of. I especially love how well that idea of the overlapping paper types that we discussed turned out at the end. It is obvious how much time and thought you put into this. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! :notworthy1:

  • Now I know why this ink does not have an entry in the Ink Review Index: no one would admit to having it.
  • The alt use may well be to tint the water in a vase of flowers.

Love your sense of humor!!! :roflmho:

It is especially surprising to see this color, when you think of how nice Lamy blue looks.

Edited by SamCapote, 21 March 2010 - 02:23.

With the new FPN rules, now I REALLY don't know what to put in my signature.

#3 bwnewton

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 03:16

I admit to having it! Bought it intentionally even after someone gave me a cartridge of it for testing. I describe it as "Easter-basket-grass-green." Not my favorite green but it does look good on Moleskine Cahier paper and for some underlining. Some kids like notes written with it

I also admit that I don't use it much, but I don't plan on getting rid of it either except by use, including some mixing with other Lamy inks.

Oh, thanks for the review, seriously. :)

#4 jcaramis

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 03:32

I actually feel that Lamy Green has single handedly received more recognition in this one review that it ever has before, or likely ever deserved.

After this review I am pretty sure I will never even consider buying this ink.

Thanks!

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 11:37

Nice review, thanks.
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#6 bwnewton

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 17:39

If there is one time of the year to use this ink, this is it--Easter. If you send cards, especially to children, this would be a good ink to use. As I stated earlier, it reminds me of the plastic grass one puts in Easter baskets. It does come across a bit richer on Ampad Gold Fibre planning pads.

To my eye, it comes across a bit brighter than the scan in the review. Of course, it might just be my monitor, too.

Edited by bwnewton, 24 March 2010 - 17:40.


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Posted 29 March 2010 - 04:32

This ink is the color of the plastic grass that comes in sushi takeout and doesn't deserve such a well-spoken, informative and excellent review!

Hats off to a Master Reviewer!!

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 18:22

A fantastic review- many thanks. Wish that I could say the same for the ink :( Light, bright greens are just not my thing, in fact I PIF'd a bottle of old MB Emerald Green a while back after re-discovering it in a bottom drawer.
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Posted 01 April 2010 - 02:54

A fantastic review- many thanks. Wish that I could say the same for the ink :( Light, bright greens are just not my thing, in fact I PIF'd a bottle of old MB Emerald Green a while back after re-discovering it in a bottom drawer.


Hi,

Yessir, that seems to be the consensus : "Worthwhile review, and thanks for warning me away."

I really do try to keep my objectivity, but in this case - not so much.

Hopefully the scans speak volumes more than I possibly can.

I am really glad that I did not associate anyone with this ink: it would've been a grievous albatross.

Best Regards,
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Posted 01 April 2010 - 04:42

I enjoyed reading through your evalution... It provided quite a few laughs. I found myself really wanting to like to the ink, just to have an, "aw, it isn't so bad...". But, you were quite accurate in your enjoyable comments.

Thanks! (I think this is my new favorite ink review)

#11 smwknits

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 00:06

Aaaagh! I just receivedthis ink in the mail today. I went on an internet ink buying binge, without bothering to check for reviews. Oh, well. Any opinions on mixing this with black? I've never done any ink mixing--- yet. thanks for any opinions or advice.

Edited by smwknits, 15 April 2010 - 03:15.


#12 bwnewton

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 13:43

Aaaagh! I just receivedthis ink in the mail today. I went on an internet ink buying binge, without bothering to check for reviews. Oh, well. Any opinions on mixing this with black? I've never done any ink mixing--- yet. thanks for any opinions or advice.


This ink looks pretty good on Field Notes or Moleskine Cahiers. It also is a richer green when used on Ampad Gold Fibre Planning Pads (grid on 1 side, lined on the other), which is my everyday office note taking paper.

#13 smwknits

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 15:58

This ink looks pretty good on Field Notes or Moleskine Cahiers. It also is a richer green when used on Ampad Gold Fibre Planning Pads (grid on 1 side, lined on the other), which is my everyday office note taking paper.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I think I can get Moleskine Cahiers locally-- I have in the past. I also have a little ecole notebook I picked up at MOMA I can try the green on.

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 00:58

[quote name='smwknits' date='15 April 2010 - 10:58 AM' timestamp='1271347098' post='1506657']
This ink looks pretty good on Field Notes or Moleskine Cahiers. It also is a richer green when used on Ampad Gold Fibre Planning Pads (grid on 1 side, lined on the other), which is my everyday office note taking paper.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I think I can get Moleskine Cahiers locally-- I have in the past. I also have a little ecole notebook I picked up at MOMA I can try the green on.
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If I remember correctly, it tends to look better over time on the cahiers-- or was it Field Notes?

#15 Sandy1

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 01:30

Aaaagh! I just receivedthis ink in the mail today. I went on an internet ink buying binge, without bothering to check for reviews. Oh, well. Any opinions on mixing this with black? I've never done any ink mixing--- yet. thanks for any opinions or advice.

Hi,
No big deal - mostly.

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  • Top two swabs: Lamy Green + Noodler's Firefly (1:1) gave us a not too jumpy high lighter colour.
  • 3rd Swab: A bit unexpected result, a middling Purple. Not too too bad. Might improve a tad if a pale/dilute Blue is added, such as Herbin 'Bleu Azur'.
  • 5th Swab: Adding Green to Brown might move the Brown into an interesting place. But not the case with my only Brown, Pilot yama-guri.
  • 7 & 10th Swabs: With Waterman Florida Blue, a passable Teal can be mixed. (1:1 & 1:2)
  • 9th Swab: With a small (20%) amount of Waterman Florida Blue, it's possible to fake a Turquoise, but really : not so much.
Also, you might want to try mixing with a Red, say 1:1 to start.

Let us know if you get anything wonderful or beyond.

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 02:13

Wow! Thanks, S1. You did a really nice job of mixing there. I like all the bottom four, especially the "fake Turquoise". I picked up a dip pen today which will come in handy for playing with colors this weekend. Thanks again!

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Posted 17 April 2010 - 14:08

Excellent review. But, you deserve a better ink :rolleyes: Perhaps a J. Herbin or (even better) Pilot Iroshizuku.

Before, I wasn't planning on buying Lamy Green. Now I will stay away from it like the plague.
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Posted 17 April 2010 - 16:45

Excellent review. But, you deserve a better ink :rolleyes: Perhaps a J. Herbin or (even better) Pilot Iroshizuku.

Before, I wasn't planning on buying Lamy Green. Now I will stay away from it like the plague.

Hi,
Glad you liked the Review. Thanks for the tips!
I do have the Caran d'Ache 'Amazon', Visconti Green and the now-discontinued Montblanc 'Racing Green'. So I think I'm covered.
Somehow, I don't care for the Pilot iro Green offerings: After their Blues, Grays & a Brown I stopped at ku-jaku. Nope - the softer more 'lyrical' Greens, the darker 'olive' greens, or the off-brown muddled colours just don't jingle my rowels.
But that's not to say that one won't sneak onto the ink shelf.
Ah - Pear Tree samples, for the once in a blue moon use.
Bye,
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 04:21

Hello,

Concerns have been voiced about bandwidth. In response, some images were deleted.

ByeBye
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 02:00

Nice review, it is a really interesting green color.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 22:11

Thank you, saved me E3.75 or so...and space in my beer much collection where my inks hide.
...well now to read about Pelikan green....It's cheap and a start...possibly.

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For that get a 'flexi' or a "flex" nib.

 

Odd, how many who should know better, compares Japanese F (which equals EF), with Western F, with out a second thought, but do not compare Japanese B with Western B.

 

Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens only; not the users of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.


#22 bwnewton

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 02:13

It's not the greatest green but, in my opinion, it's not as bad as some let on. It behaves well, it's affordable, and if you use Moleskine cahiers or Ampad Gold Fibre Planning Pads, it looks good, which, again, is my opinion. I've had people select it over Diamine Emerald (which I like) when provided writing samples. And, I like Parker Quink Green over Lamy Green. I just don't think it needs to be beat up on quite so badly considering it behaves well. :)

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 04:04

Thank you, saved me E3.75 or so...and space in my beer much collection where my inks hide.
...well now to read about Pelikan green....It's cheap and a start...possibly.

Yes, one must be careful, otherwise you'll have beer hiding in your ink collection. Glad to save you the cost. And a wasted bottle of ink. -- S1

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#24 Sandy1

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 04:24

It's not the greatest green but, in my opinion, it's not as bad as some let on. It behaves well, it's affordable, and if you use Moleskine cahiers or Ampad Gold Fibre Planning Pads, it looks good, which, again, is my opinion. I've had people select it over Diamine Emerald (which I like) when provided writing samples. And, I like Parker Quink Green over Lamy Green. I just don't think it needs to be beat up on quite so badly considering it behaves well. :)

OK OK - I did give this ink a rather rough ride, BUT that was only about the colour. Indeed, the ink is a really quite good performer : as both you and I point-out. I just couldn't get past the colour. I do try to be objective about the tests & samples. So the reader may completely ignore my commentary and just look at the ink. And I think its good when people disagree - let's have some dialogue!
I much appreciate your suggested papers, and taking the time to make observations about how people may choose amongst the vast array of Green inks in the market.
Bye,
S1

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 08:08

I am new to ink(7), and even newer to papers.
Lamy Turquoise, on the printer paper I had was a nice color...only; no matter what nib I used. Then I saw it shading on some one's review.

Some very nice person took the time to make me a 60 color ink swatch and written examples, on Landre`'s Oxford Optic paper (No Greens.). I put some on that paper and Lamy Turquoise, shaded. :eureka: :eureka: :eureka:

Suddenly I understood 1/3 paper, 1/3 nib, 1/3 ink. Get the right paper and right nib, and an ink dances instead of being a wallflower. I had read that before; but had not the understanding to comprehend what they were saying.

I also have to go print out, the Review sheets, so I know what to look for.

I think semi-flex pens do more to an ink than normal flex pens. (Yesterday, with my new Pelikan brown....I discovered by accident a pen I bought some 6 months ago, inked only once, which was empty and there for usable as an ink container was semi-flexible. Yep on the whole 6 months ago I did not know what semi-flex was.)
I don't have any flex nibs yet.

The more I learn, the more I find out I don't know. :unsure:

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For that get a 'flexi' or a "flex" nib.

 

Odd, how many who should know better, compares Japanese F (which equals EF), with Western F, with out a second thought, but do not compare Japanese B with Western B.

 

Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens only; not the users of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.


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Posted 13 May 2010 - 12:51


It's not the greatest green but, in my opinion, it's not as bad as some let on. It behaves well, it's affordable, and if you use Moleskine cahiers or Ampad Gold Fibre Planning Pads, it looks good, which, again, is my opinion. I've had people select it over Diamine Emerald (which I like) when provided writing samples. And, I like Parker Quink Green over Lamy Green. I just don't think it needs to be beat up on quite so badly considering it behaves well. :)

OK OK - I did give this ink a rather rough ride, BUT that was only about the colour. Indeed, the ink is a really quite good performer : as both you and I point-out. I just couldn't get past the colour. I do try to be objective about the tests & samples. So the reader may completely ignore my commentary and just look at the ink. And I think its good when people disagree - let's have some dialogue!
I much appreciate your suggested papers, and taking the time to make observations about how people may choose amongst the vast array of Green inks in the market.
Bye,
S1


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Posted 06 October 2010 - 12:44

What a sweetly pastoral color. Granted, it doesn't exactly seem appropriate for use as a writing ink, even in recreational settings. But it might make a fine highlighter choice.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 20:23

What a sweetly pastoral color. Granted, it doesn't exactly seem appropriate for use as a writing ink, even in recreational settings. But it might make a fine highlighter choice.


I tend to use it for underlining and marginalia.

Oddly, I used a Dollar 717i that had been sitting with some of this ink in it for a couple of weeks (I know, not good). However, it came out as a rich, darker green due to the evaporation in the nib. It would've been a great green that way!

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 17:19

I like the +firefly mix. Neat highlighter color

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 05:12

Very nice green and well behaved in my Lamy Vista. If you want a REALLY BAD color, try Lamy Red.