Waterman Patrician

[dare_nova]

Vintage Patrician is so beautiful but doesn't get much attention here. After I had searched for topics and posts containing information about this particular model I didn't find much.

 

Could you help me and indicate any websites, links to articles etc. which will be helpful for a newbie?

 

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Edited August 19, 2009 by dare_nova

[Rena]

Hope someone responds, Dare Nova. I did a search here too, and while I found some information, there wasn't a lot. Internet searches don't bring up articles either. I'm surprised, since these pens are prizes for pen collectors. You have good taste in pens! (I still am in love with your enameled Wahl ring top. )

[Hirsch]

The Patrician was Waterman's initial entry into plastics, well behind other companies such as Parker and Sheaffer. It was originally released in 1929; not a good year for an expensive item. Accordingly, sales were probably low, making this a somewhat uncommon pen. I've heard varying estimates of when it went out of production, but it was certainly finished by 1939, if not before. The plastic used in most of the Patricians: jade, nacre (black and pearl), turquoise (blue/bronze) and onyx (tan/burgundy veins) were all vulnerable to discoloration, making the pen even more hard to find with decent color. The black is the color least likely to discolor. The jade was later replaced by the moss-agate (green/bronze) due to the vulnerability to discoloration. These are high-end pens that are a joy to hold and to write with, as well as to simply look at. The most desirable colors are likely to be the onyx, followed by the turquoise and jade. Clean sets of these can sell for up to $3000. If there are any imperfections in the color or the condition of the pen, the price can drop precipitously, but they never really reach a level that can be called "cheap". The nib alone is valued at $250 at John Mottishaw's site, and that price may be out of date.

 

There is a new book on Waterman by Gary Lehrer and Max Davis that may have the type of information that you are looking for.

[Ray-Vigo]

Part of it is that they're so expensive now. Many collectors and most users can't afford them, well the top of the line ones at least. People tend to discuss the pens they have and use, and most people don't have or use these pens. I'm sure the alpha collectors do, but the more middle of the road guy doesn't.

Edited August 27, 2009 by Ray-Vigo

[simp]

Vintage Patrician is so beautiful but doesn't get much attention here. After I had searched for topics and posts containing information about this particular model I didn't find much.

 

Could you help me and indicate any websites, links to articles etc. which will be helpful for a newbie?

 

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You can find some ADs scan, a short chronology of the model and some info here:

http://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it...ian&prev=hp

the original page is in italian, but the translation seemed to me less horrible than other times (but it should be just my english that is worsening...) so I hope is understandable.

 

Regards

Simone

 

[AndyW]

Today I picked up a near perfect turquoise whose color is perfect (there is one very minor shrinkage flaw in the cap). Added it to the Moss Agate I got at the DC Show. If I can find some time I will post pictures. Both are really, really good finds. The Moss Agate is a B+ and the turquoise is A-. I am not sure how to date these though. Anyone know?

 

Andy W

 

 

 

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[Blackandwhite]

I read for a couple of years on FP network, and found this topic as I am searching about the Waterman Patrician. As far as my information goes these pens are quite difficult to date - produced from 1929 to (?) 1939 (?) .

Some interesting and well resarched information You have on Richard Binder's website:

http://www.richardspens.com/?page=ref/profiles/patrician.htm

 

Yesterday I was at the second edition Belgian Pen Show - and bought a black/pearl ( nacre ) Patrician. It is difficult to compare this pen to any other I own in my humble collection. Also, I cannot compare it to other large size pens I had the opportunity to test - the Patrician, although technically not innovative ( thing I do appreciate, but that's personnal ) has qualities and character i have not experienced on other pens.

 

I post an image with a writing and drawing I made today, the pen is also on the photograph. A beautiful smooth writer, can be written fast and for "normal" writing or slowly with a certain amount of nib flexibility. The shape of the pen is all around very good, only a light discolouration of the Celluloid. All in all I do believe this pen will be one of my absolute favourites.

 

Jean-Marie

 

Edited September 29, 2014 by Blackandwhite

[Nath]

Here or elsewhere Blackandwite / noirsurblanc, your drawings are always so beautiful. I am always appreciative of your drawings and your handwriting. What say on this this vintage Patrician of 1929? It is sublime and as you say incomparable to any other. Congratulations

 

Cheers

[Blackandwhite]

Thank You, Nath. One thing I love is what one may call "understatement". Beauty, "class" without excess. The nib - but also that essential quality - made me go for this pen.

[Left FPN]

If you look at some of the old Waterman ads on ebay they can be very useful.

 

This one for instance. It shows the above pen.

 

or Here

 

I like to save these for reference.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Force

[Xof72000]

From the 1933 Waterman Catalog ...

 

... could anyone lend me $10 to buy one please ?

 

 

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i404/Xof72000/Patrician1933_zps5c01261d.jpg

Edited September 30, 2014 by Xof72000

[Left FPN]

here's $70 get me the set while you are there.

[RMN]

If you look at some of the old Waterman ads on ebay they can be very useful.

 

This one for instance. It shows the above pen.

 

or Here

 

I like to save these for reference.

Last one could go to the chucle-a-day

1929 Ball point????

 

D.ick

[Blackandwhite]

Thanks for Your links, Force and Xof72000. I like these ads, - save them for the informations.

[georges zaslavsky]

Mr Mora happens to have some for sale once in a while and not these aren't cheap count 2400€ for one in pristine condition

[Blackandwhite]

In pristine condition - well mine is in good condition, Georges. So not that high price... I could not afford that high amount for a fountain pen. On the other hand: if one single quality pen would be enough, buying one of these wonderful pens and use it as a daily writer would be a serious option.

[georges zaslavsky]

In pristine condition - well mine is in good condition, Georges. So not that high price... I could not afford that high amount for a fountain pen. On the other hand: if one single quality pen would be enough, buying one of these wonderful pens and use it as a daily writer would be a serious option.

The lever filled pens are quite fragile compared to button filled pens and they contain less ink

[Blackandwhite]

Sure, dear Georges. The Waterman Patrician has a quite serious amount of ink . But vintage pens always have to be handled with care, - even contemporary pens do not appreciate falling down on concrete. Today, on a friends workbench, we made a new section for the one I bought recently: a small haircrack in the section made I always had blue or black fingers. Quite an exercise, as the tolerances are very low and the inside bore is conic. I'll post some pics in a couple of days, - the result is working and optically acceptable, I hope.

[TXKat]

just in case anyone is interested...

 

...the bay is offering this one for a small price....

[Xof72000]

just in case anyone is interested...

 

...the bay is offering this one for a small price....

 

 

This is a Lady size ... much smaller than the Patrician discussed above