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#1 Kabe

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 04:44

I would like to see a list of knockoff pens (most would be Chinese, I guess). NOT fakes, though.
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Posted 04 August 2009 - 04:51

http://www.hisnibs.c..._rectangles.htm

is a knock off of

http://www.montblanc...ubber.08854.php
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Posted 04 August 2009 - 05:03

Check out Hero 5020 and Baoer 388. Both Parker look-a-likes (isnt that a nice way to put it?). Both write well and are dirt cheap through ebay from sellers that I have found to be very good.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 05:14

The Hero 616 and 100 type pens are the most popular knockoffs. They're modelled after the Parker 51.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 11:35

QUOTE (Tsujigiri @ Aug 4 2009, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Hero 616 and 100 type pens are the most popular knockoffs. They're modelled after the Parker 51.


And then there are the knockoffs of the Hero 616... rolleyes.gif
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Posted 04 August 2009 - 20:07

What about this?

Sailor 1911 vs MB 146

*runs for cover*




Back again.

Sometimes the knock off are better than the originals

Aurora 88 (1947) vs Parker 51

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 21:32

QUOTE (diplomat @ Aug 4 2009, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sailor 1911 vs MB 146

...

Aurora 88 (1947) vs Parker 51


I suppose this begs the question, when does "knockoff" end and "heavily influenced by" begin?
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Posted 04 August 2009 - 23:49

QUOTE (merzig @ Aug 4 2009, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (diplomat @ Aug 4 2009, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sailor 1911 vs MB 146

...

Aurora 88 (1947) vs Parker 51


I suppose this begs the question, when does "knockoff" end and "heavily influenced by" begin?

when you cant tell the difference without a really close look...eg reading the brand name on the barrell

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 23:57

and the Targa slimline is a copy of a piece of plumbers pipe.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 00:05

QUOTE (diplomat @ Aug 4 2009, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What about this?

Sailor 1911 vs MB 146


and the MB 146 is a copy of the Sheaffer Balance!

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 00:06

QUOTE (MidnightBlue @ Aug 4 2009, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and the Targa slimline is a copy of a piece of plumbers pipe.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 00:10

but to add, don't get me wrong: they have killer nibs especially gold mediums. But they still are a copy of a piece of pipe.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 00:20

QUOTE (diplomat @ Aug 4 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What about this?

Sailor 1911 vs MB 146

*runs for cover*




Back again.

Sometimes the knock off are better than the originals

Aurora 88 (1947) vs Parker 51

*runs for cover and change email address...*


Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I don't think Montblanc invented the torpedo shape. In fact, they were very late to the party if the Sheaffer Balance counts. In that case, Montblanc itself is a knockoff. People just think that they're more original because they've popularized that shape so much. It's like the way Sony first came out with keyboards that have separated keys, but now that Apple has made that a feature of their laptops, everyone tells me that my Vaio "totally knocked off Apple."

A knockoff pen would have to more carefully mimick another pen, not just share the same basic shape. After all, there are only a few shapes out there for pens. Imagine if Montblanc made an insanely popular flattop, then how many more MB knockoffs would there be out there?

Edit: looks like Glenn-SC beat me to pointing out the Sheaffer Balance.

Edited by Tsujigiri, 05 August 2009 - 00:22.


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Posted 05 August 2009 - 00:33

The Taccia Momenta looks to be heavily influenced by the Viscoti Divina embarrassed_smile.gif

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 01:25

QUOTE (Tsujigiri @ Aug 4 2009, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (diplomat @ Aug 4 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What about this?

Sailor 1911 vs MB 146

*runs for cover*




Back again.

Sometimes the knock off are better than the originals

Aurora 88 (1947) vs Parker 51

*runs for cover and change email address...*


Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I don't think Montblanc invented the torpedo shape. In fact, they were very late to the party if the Sheaffer Balance counts. In that case, Montblanc itself is a knockoff. People just think that they're more original because they've popularized that shape so much. It's like the way Sony first came out with keyboards that have separated keys, but now that Apple has made that a feature of their laptops, everyone tells me that my Vaio "totally knocked off Apple."

A knockoff pen would have to more carefully mimick another pen, not just share the same basic shape. After all, there are only a few shapes out there for pens. Imagine if Montblanc made an insanely popular flattop, then how many more MB knockoffs would there be out there?

Edit: looks like Glenn-SC beat me to pointing out the Sheaffer Balance.


"A knockoff pen would have to more carefully mimick another pen, not just share the same basic shape."
You mean like this?:



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Posted 05 August 2009 - 01:58



Some prefer the term "homage" to knockoff, rip off, or replica....
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 05:03

Perhaps what the originator of this topic had in mind was a list of pens that look (and generally write) like expensive pens but at a far lower price. For example the Baoer 388 a is virtually indistinguishable from a Parker Sonnet, but isnt a fake.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 05:27

Yes, that's what I meant. Not "similar", but, say, "alternatives". Baoer are good examples
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 07:03

QUOTE (jeen @ Aug 4 2009, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Tsujigiri @ Aug 4 2009, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (diplomat @ Aug 4 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What about this?

Sailor 1911 vs MB 146

*runs for cover*




Back again.

Sometimes the knock off are better than the originals

Aurora 88 (1947) vs Parker 51

*runs for cover and change email address...*


Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I don't think Montblanc invented the torpedo shape. In fact, they were very late to the party if the Sheaffer Balance counts. In that case, Montblanc itself is a knockoff. People just think that they're more original because they've popularized that shape so much. It's like the way Sony first came out with keyboards that have separated keys, but now that Apple has made that a feature of their laptops, everyone tells me that my Vaio "totally knocked off Apple."

A knockoff pen would have to more carefully mimick another pen, not just share the same basic shape. After all, there are only a few shapes out there for pens. Imagine if Montblanc made an insanely popular flattop, then how many more MB knockoffs would there be out there?

Edit: looks like Glenn-SC beat me to pointing out the Sheaffer Balance.


"A knockoff pen would have to more carefully mimick another pen, not just share the same basic shape."
You mean like this?:




Wait, how do the Pelikan and Waterman nibs look anything like any other nibs out there?

If you say that Sailor is a knockoff of Montblanc because it looks similar and followed MB, then MB is a knockoff of all the similar pens that preceded the 149. You can't really knock off something that wasn't completely original in the first place.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 08:02

QUOTE (Tsujigiri @ Aug 5 2009, 02:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (diplomat @ Aug 4 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What about this?

Sailor 1911 vs MB 146

*runs for cover*




Back again.

Sometimes the knock off are better than the originals

Aurora 88 (1947) vs Parker 51

*runs for cover and change email address...*


Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I don't think Montblanc invented the torpedo shape. In fact, they were very late to the party if the Sheaffer Balance counts. In that case, Montblanc itself is a knockoff. People just think that they're more original because they've popularized that shape so much. It's like the way Sony first came out with keyboards that have separated keys, but now that Apple has made that a feature of their laptops, everyone tells me that my Vaio "totally knocked off Apple."

A knockoff pen would have to more carefully mimick another pen, not just share the same basic shape. After all, there are only a few shapes out there for pens. Imagine if Montblanc made an insanely popular flattop, then how many more MB knockoffs would there be out there?

Edit: looks like Glenn-SC beat me to pointing out the Sheaffer Balance.


In my opinion the 1911 is not only the same "shape" than the Meisterstuck. But even if you stop at this, you should admit that the Balance is a torpedo but has a totally different shape on the round edges, while the Sailor and the Montblanc share the same overall proportions.

But in addition to that, the 1911 has the clip, the trim and the cap bands (that were originally three and then were reduced to two because MB was suing them....) which are designed after the MB.

However I agree that knockoff is a too strong word, and "heavily inspired" would be better.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 08:08

Are there any Vanishing Point knockoffs?
The voice of this guitar of mine, at the awakening of the morning, wants to sing its joy;
I sing to your volcanoes, to your meadows and flowers, that are like mementos of the greatest of my loves;
If I am to die away from you, may they say I am sleeping, and bring me back home.
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