Review: Laywine's (De Atramentis) Sahara Grey
Posted 16 July 2009 - 19:04
Ink Brand / Color / Packaging
Laywine's (made by De Atramentis)
Bottle (32 mL)
Xerox Business 4200 (ie, nothing special, just copy paper I had around)
Weight: 20lb / 75gsm
Pilot Elite <F>
Lamy AL-star <M>
Lamy AL-star <1.5>
[Pilot Elite <F>]
This ink is what I consider to be a bright olive green. I think it's fairly sophisticated -- I wouldn't think twice about using it in a business setting.
As with many inks, the name "Sahara Grey" is misleading. There is very little -- if any -- grey in this ink. Mainly green, brown, yellow.
This ink has medium flow: not too loose, not too dry. Feels great in my fine nibs. There is some shading that occurs, but not a great deal.
[Switch to Lamy AL-star <M>]
Here is a writing sample with a Lamy AL-star with medium nib. The character of the ink seems much different, much more watery.
[Switch to Lamy AL-star <1.5>]
And another with an AL-star fitted with a 1.5 nib. The wider the nib, the lighter this ink appears. Still a very nice color, though.
Feathering: Very little from any nib size.
Bleedthrough: Just a touch, mainly at the cross-outs in the comments.
Nib Creep: None noticeable.
Saturation: Moderate. Comparable to Diamine or Herbin.
Drying times: Very dry by 10-sec. mark [Pilot Elite <F>], Dry by 15-sec. mark [Lamy <1.5>].
After drying thoroughly, I ran the ink under a stream of water for 15-20 seconds. Most of the yellow tones ran and disappeared. The brown and some green tones remained.
I really like this ink. It performs well, I love the color, and is more waterproof than I expected it to be. De Atramentis inks haven't been on my radar long; I look forward to exploring more of their colors.
Posted 16 July 2009 - 19:08
Posted 16 July 2009 - 19:49
I got this ink from Stylo a week ago and was surprised to find that it was green. Sahara...I would have expected tan tones if anything. But after getting over that, It is a great ink.
Posted 16 July 2009 - 22:03
Posted 17 July 2009 - 03:37
Posted 11 August 2010 - 07:08
As posters above have mentioned, it is similar to R&K Alt Goldgrün, though the Goldgrün in unambiguously a green, IMO.
What the Sahara Grey really reminds me of is Stipula Verde Muschiato, but lighter. Like light brown and dark brown, Sahara Grey and Verde Muschiato are light whatever-this-is and dark whatever-this-is. Olive green/brown?
Cool, in any case.
Posted 08 October 2011 - 19:16
I got to fix some pens. I didn't have enough to go around, having 15 in rotation before pulling out six more pens out of the box.
I have some new paper cheap at Aldi a grocery store, 90 gs/m Bluten-Hammereffect, laid, marmor green paper, and 120 gs/m linen effect; I also scribbled a couple of lines on regular 80 gs/m copy paper.
So there were tone differences.
For Jade I used three, regular BB, semi-flex M and F.
Cement gray, semi-flex M and springy Reform EF.
For Sahara Grey, semi-flex M and a maxi-semi-flex/'flexi' F.
Rather stupid to do all three inks at once; I could have gotten regular BB, springy EF, Semi-flex M, F and maxi-semi-flex/flexi Rupp F.
There would be more differences due to width and flex.
With the semi-flex M Sahara Grey is mostly an olive green of some sort. Gray, is also a darkening of a color. With Sahara, I'd expect more a sandy brown...
With the Maxi-semi-flex/'flexi' nib, with a touch of Flex it writes wet a bluish gray, that dries a 'grayed' green.
On the 90 Gs/m laid paper, the 'flexi' nib is dark...it is a grayed color that one needs to look twice to see it's gray-green.
On the Bluten paper it's shades real well.
That nib darkens the ink on the Linen paper too...in a hurry it could pass for gray...and the flex work, grays the green towards a 'blue' image. The oh, that's not steel blue but steel green.
Well I really like that Rupp nib, with Pelikan Blue Black, I got on one paper, a black outline and a vivid blue inside when flexing.
So here it lays a some what darker line, but the thinness of it, gives me a Darkened (grayed) green. With that Rupp nib on two papers I have to look twice to see it is more green than gray.
Of course in daylight that might be a different story.
Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For that get a 'flexi' or a "flex" nib.
Odd, how many who should know better, compares Japanese F (which equals EF), with Western F, with out a second thought, but do not compare Japanese B with Western B.
Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens only; not the users of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.